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Things don't always change for the better because you complain. But things rarely change for the better when you don't complain. Reddit is trying to build a c

by jopsen 8y ago

Things don't always change for the better because you complain. But things rarely change for the better when you don't complain. Reddit is trying to build a community too, because otherwise they wouldn't have visitors. It's naive to think that speaking up never makes a difference.

twhb 8y ago
History doesn’t support your comment. People have complained endlessly about ISPs, various video game mechanics, Google and Facebook tracking; no change, because the people complaining don’t leave. People generally don’t complain about ugly interfaces, stores far away, confusing calls to action; they constantly change and improve, because the people who hit these problems often leave. When speaking up has made a difference, virtually every time, it was coupled with action, or it was speaking up to people who had no reason not to agree. Reddit’s community is a means to an end, that’s my point. Asking for something that strengthens the community without harming ad views may be reasonable, but asking them to strengthen the community at the direct expense of the reason they want a community is nonsense.
- jopsen 8y ago
  Google and Facebook have done a Lot of things to mitigate privacy concerns. Both have decent controls, you can see your data, delete data, see apps that have access, etc. Sure, privacy issues aren't solved, largely because people don't care, don't understand the tools, and marketing companies are ever more aggressive. But to say that Google and Facebook have done nothing in the face of public outrage is wrong. Rome wasn't built in day - things get better step by step - speaking up is often a good start. We spoke up, and the EU is largely without software parents. It's easy to forget our victories in the face of all the upcoming battles.

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Things don't always change for the better because you complain. But things rarely change for the better when you don't complain. Reddit is trying to build a c

by jopsen 8y ago

twhb 8y ago
History doesn’t support your comment. People have complained endlessly about ISPs, various video game mechanics, Google and Facebook tracking; no change, because the people complaining don’t leave. People generally don’t complain about ugly interfaces, stores far away, confusing calls to action; they constantly change and improve, because the people who hit these problems often leave. When speaking up has made a difference, virtually every time, it was coupled with action, or it was speaking up to people who had no reason not to agree. Reddit’s community is a means to an end, that’s my point. Asking for something that strengthens the community without harming ad views may be reasonable, but asking them to strengthen the community at the direct expense of the reason they want a community is nonsense.
- jopsen 8y ago
  Google and Facebook have done a Lot of things to mitigate privacy concerns. Both have decent controls, you can see your data, delete data, see apps that have access, etc. Sure, privacy issues aren't solved, largely because people don't care, don't understand the tools, and marketing companies are ever more aggressive. But to say that Google and Facebook have done nothing in the face of public outrage is wrong. Rome wasn't built in day - things get better step by step - speaking up is often a good start. We spoke up, and the EU is largely without software parents. It's easy to forget our victories in the face of all the upcoming battles.