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75% of women survived the Titanic, compared with 19% of men. (http://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html http://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html) At the massacre of Kat
by haberman 8y ago
75% of women survived the Titanic, compared with 19% of men. (http://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html http://www.icyousee.org/titanic.html)
At the massacre of Katyn, an estimated ~22,000 men and exactly 1 woman were executed by the Soviets.
The West has undeniably patriarchal elements of its history. But trying to spin this into a narrative of pervasive misogyny ignores the very real value that society places on the well-being of women. Even in your own example, the men angrily avenge the treatment of the women by outsiders.
- fossuser 8y agoI'd guess this has something to do with if a bunch of men die in the tribe it doesn't matter too much, but if a bunch of the women die in the tribe that's the end of the tribe. Men are pretty expendable when it comes to what's required to reproduce - that mixed with fighting for status/high risk behavior being attractive probably complicates things.
- ciphergoth 8y agoThis is a group selection based argument.
- petermcneeley 8y agoExcuse the obvious plug. Here is my article on why I disagree with Pinker's attack on group selection. http://darkcephas.blogspot.com/2018/01/on-group-selection.html http://darkcephas.blogspot.com/2018/01/on-group-selection.ht...
- haberman 8y agoIt seems that altruism can be explained without resorting to group selection. Statistically speaking over history, your group is overwhelmingly likely to be your kin. So gene selection / kin selection seems sufficient explanation for the evolution of group-altruistic behavior.
- belorn 8y agoThe idea that its a privilege to be viewed as "pretty expendable" is to me a rather odd. In any war where a minority group is used as an expendable meat shield, I have never seen anyone argue that its proof that that minority group holds power and carries "-actual advantages-" in society. In contrast, when some individuals of a category holds power while others are viewed as expendable it indicate that that categorization (ie, this one based on being male) is a poor predictor for privilege.
- fossuser 8y agoThat isn’t my view? I just suspect it’s a component of why cultures tend to protect women in disasters.