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A large part of what makes the first world so productive is its culture and welfare system. When new people come in they need to be trained to understand this c

A large part of what makes the first world so productive is its culture and welfare system. When new people come in they need to be trained to understand this culture and system. This training takes work and time and that puts a limit on the number of yearly newcomers. I do not find it irrational to want to keep this working in a sustainable way.

grad_ml 8y ago
"economic migrants" need almost zero training. However, I do agree that this will put pressure on already complacent welfare system, or group of people and may cause new economic, social regrouping, wealth distribution etc. To provide services, one would be incentivized to integrate.
- coldtea 8y ago
  >To provide services, one would be incentivized to integrate. Only as long as one doesn't have a sizeable presence in the host country.
  - grad_ml 8y ago
    I disagree. Incentive to get recurring business mandates integration. Also, if the presence is not sizable enough, they would largely go unnoticed, so, integrate or not, it doesn't matter.
- fvdessen 8y ago
  > On can't/rarely provide services and choose not to be aware of local customs/traditions. [...] To provide services, one would be incentivized to integrate. It is completely possible to provide services without integration in insular communities, which tend to appear when newcomers come faster than they can integrate.
  - grad_ml 8y ago
    it's absolutely possible to spend whole winter in a thin cotton shirt, but most of us prefer not to do.
voidmain 8y ago
I can't prove that there is no limit to how many migrants the first world could absorb without losing the rule of law, but it's pretty obvious that if there is such a limit it's higher than the status quo!
beevai142 8y ago
> A large part of what makes the first world so productive is its culture In view of history including colonialism this statement sounds very naive indeed.
- wutbrodo 8y ago
  Eh, you don't need to dismiss the impact of colonialism or have any notion of inherent racial qualities to think this is true. Having strong, consistent institutions and relatively low levels of corruption (or at the very least, concentrated and generally legal corruption) is a per se advantage of operating in a developed economy. If you don't have experience with the other side of things, you probably don't have a clear sense of just how gummed up the works can get with nonsense.

grad_ml 8y ago

"economic migrants" need almost zero training. However, I do agree that this will put pressure on already complacent welfare system, or group of people and may cause new economic, social regrouping, wealth distribution etc. To provide services, one would be incentivized to integrate.

coldtea 8y ago
>To provide services, one would be incentivized to integrate. Only as long as one doesn't have a sizeable presence in the host country.
- grad_ml 8y ago
  I disagree. Incentive to get recurring business mandates integration. Also, if the presence is not sizable enough, they would largely go unnoticed, so, integrate or not, it doesn't matter.
fvdessen 8y ago
> On can't/rarely provide services and choose not to be aware of local customs/traditions. [...] To provide services, one would be incentivized to integrate. It is completely possible to provide services without integration in insular communities, which tend to appear when newcomers come faster than they can integrate.
- grad_ml 8y ago
  it's absolutely possible to spend whole winter in a thin cotton shirt, but most of us prefer not to do.

voidmain 8y ago

I can't prove that there is no limit to how many migrants the first world could absorb without losing the rule of law, but it's pretty obvious that if there is such a limit it's higher than the status quo!

beevai142 8y ago

> A large part of what makes the first world so productive is its culture In view of history including colonialism this statement sounds very naive indeed.

wutbrodo 8y ago
Eh, you don't need to dismiss the impact of colonialism or have any notion of inherent racial qualities to think this is true. Having strong, consistent institutions and relatively low levels of corruption (or at the very least, concentrated and generally legal corruption) is a per se advantage of operating in a developed economy. If you don't have experience with the other side of things, you probably don't have a clear sense of just how gummed up the works can get with nonsense.