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It's so much easier to imagine that there is a grand, fantastic, and amazing conspiracy, and that ultimately when the curtain is pulled down it will all make se

by Drakim 8y ago

It's so much easier to imagine that there is a grand, fantastic, and amazing conspiracy, and that ultimately when the curtain is pulled down it will all make sense and the truth will be clear. No more confusion, no more enfeebled helplessness, no more spinning around in a universe where directions are meaningless. The evil will be pushed back and things will go back to how they ought to be, in perfect harmony. By romanticizing the world this way, it all becomes so much easier, it's an easier pill to swallow because it's a bitter taste that we are familiar with. And there is an allure of sweetness behind the taste, the idea that ultimately there is an inherent wonderful good truth waiting, just around the corner. But it's ultimately an illusion, there is no grand conspiracy, and when there carpet comes down we find only empty space behind it. It can be both terrifying and liberating to accept that.

some_account 8y ago
No no, this is not some romanticizing fantasy image that I dreamt up after a couple of glasses of wine one night :) I'm a hard-core geek, programmer, tinkerer since I got my first computer in 1985 or so. I'm working as a data engineer and cloud architect currently. My IQ is fine and I dont believe in fairies :) All I did was research the history of our societies. Who controls what, who benefits from what, stuff like that. And there is actually a big conspiracy going on when it comes to our world view and our place in this world. There are sites purely set up for propaganda, like flat earth society, who explains gravity with "yeah so the world is currently traveling upwards at a constant rate, and that is gravity"... Lol :) Nobody actually believes that. It's just to turn people off from the idea, and it's working. It's been the Google number one hit since like forever, and it's designed that way :) All this makes sense if you understand what the purpose is, but people usually spend like 10 minutes, go to the wrong sites, and laugh it off :) Go to Eric dubays videos on YouTube, go through the ones where he goes through how things are working according to flat earth theories. Its highly interesting. There see more than one way to explain what we see.
- wruza 8y ago
  Given how much effort you have to put into a local progress and how many ‘energy’ and knowledge is lost on progress that crosses the company/group/area/country boundary, it is a very small femtochance that any worldwide conspiracy exists. Obviously, the capital and power has to be accumulated in relatively few hands, but it seems too doubtful that at least one of our species is capable of managing and routing that in the way you describe. It may appear as such to some idiots with megatons of money and clear minds behind them, so they form their elite clubs, but no more than that. Anyone who did something complex should have seen that clearly. We as a whole civilization are just an uncontrollable mess.
  - andai 8y ago
    To clarify, are you saying there is an illuminati, but they really suck at their job?
- maxerickson 8y ago
  That guy is just babbling incoherently. Like, he thinks that summer happens at the same time across most of the planet and that the fake science explains seasons with the elliptical orbit of the earth (this is commonly noted as a misconception¹). Please stop spouting this nonsense here. 1. https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/seasons-causes.html https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/seasons-causes.html
AmericanChopper 8y ago
This is really only one possible interpretation of the absurd. The collective absurdist philosophers all tended to agree that when confronted with the apparent meaninglessness of life there were 3 general responses possible. 1. Suicide (not widely advocated for in philosophy circles) 2. A leap of faith (essentially to impart your own meaning to life) 3. Embrace of the meaninglessness It seems to me like you may be advocating for the 3rd option? Logically speaking, it’s equally as valid as the other two, but it does have one major shortcoming in that it doesn’t naturally lead to any conclusions. Personally I see more value in the 2nd option, but it does come with the added baggage of settling on or coming up with your own values system.
- Drakim 8y ago
  Taking a leap of faith option is probably the most common and orthodox solution. While religious themes comes to mind, it's not really limited to religion, tons of people find non-religious causes and beliefs to hold onto, like humanism, skepticism, trans-humanism, social justice, or other variants. Common to all of these is a specific narrative, a foundational belief that deep down, once you wash away the topsoil, it all makes sense, that there is an unshakeable and unmovable bedrock waiting. Sure, there is sand and water shaking our feet today, but deep below awaits solidity and surety. That ultimately, Truth is our steadfast ally. And that the only real way to find meaning and sanity is to root yourself to that bedrock. But what happens that day when we dig down and find nothing? When we realize that we are floating aimlessly in space towards nowhere, untethered from all meaning? If we have tied all our worth, thoughts, and values to that imaginary rock then we'll have nothing left.
  - AmericanChopper 8y ago
    I agree that the leap of faith is the most common way people choose to live. But you seem to be describing it from a perspective of somebody who’s never asked themselves the question, or who gave up trying to answer it. To properly arrive at the leap of faith, you need to first accept that there are no universal truths. Then you can choose some axioms to base meaning on, and build outwards from there. I don’t believe that this approach is truly that orthodox, even if it may arrive at a similar destination to not asking the question to begin with. There is no universal truth anywhere in life. Even empiricism is based on our subjective experiences, and rationalism is also flawed in exactly the same way. Life itself doesn’t offer any bedrock of truth, but that doesn’t mean truth doesn’t exist. You can take the leap of faith and create your own truth in life.

by Drakim 8y ago

some_account 8y ago

No no, this is not some romanticizing fantasy image that I dreamt up after a couple of glasses of wine one night :) I'm a hard-core geek, programmer, tinkerer since I got my first computer in 1985 or so. I'm working as a data engineer and cloud architect currently. My IQ is fine and I dont believe in fairies :) All I did was research the history of our societies. Who controls what, who benefits from what, stuff like that. And there is actually a big conspiracy going on when it comes to our world view and our place in this world. There are sites purely set up for propaganda, like flat earth society, who explains gravity with "yeah so the world is currently traveling upwards at a constant rate, and that is gravity"... Lol :) Nobody actually believes that. It's just to turn people off from the idea, and it's working. It's been the Google number one hit since like forever, and it's designed that way :) All this makes sense if you understand what the purpose is, but people usually spend like 10 minutes, go to the wrong sites, and laugh it off :) Go to Eric dubays videos on YouTube, go through the ones where he goes through how things are working according to flat earth theories. Its highly interesting. There see more than one way to explain what we see.

wruza 8y ago
Given how much effort you have to put into a local progress and how many ‘energy’ and knowledge is lost on progress that crosses the company/group/area/country boundary, it is a very small femtochance that any worldwide conspiracy exists. Obviously, the capital and power has to be accumulated in relatively few hands, but it seems too doubtful that at least one of our species is capable of managing and routing that in the way you describe. It may appear as such to some idiots with megatons of money and clear minds behind them, so they form their elite clubs, but no more than that. Anyone who did something complex should have seen that clearly. We as a whole civilization are just an uncontrollable mess.
- andai 8y ago
  To clarify, are you saying there is an illuminati, but they really suck at their job?
maxerickson 8y ago
That guy is just babbling incoherently. Like, he thinks that summer happens at the same time across most of the planet and that the fake science explains seasons with the elliptical orbit of the earth (this is commonly noted as a misconception¹). Please stop spouting this nonsense here. 1. https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/seasons-causes.html https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/seasons-causes.html

AmericanChopper 8y ago

This is really only one possible interpretation of the absurd. The collective absurdist philosophers all tended to agree that when confronted with the apparent meaninglessness of life there were 3 general responses possible. 1. Suicide (not widely advocated for in philosophy circles) 2. A leap of faith (essentially to impart your own meaning to life) 3. Embrace of the meaninglessness It seems to me like you may be advocating for the 3rd option? Logically speaking, it’s equally as valid as the other two, but it does have one major shortcoming in that it doesn’t naturally lead to any conclusions. Personally I see more value in the 2nd option, but it does come with the added baggage of settling on or coming up with your own values system.

Drakim 8y ago
Taking a leap of faith option is probably the most common and orthodox solution. While religious themes comes to mind, it's not really limited to religion, tons of people find non-religious causes and beliefs to hold onto, like humanism, skepticism, trans-humanism, social justice, or other variants. Common to all of these is a specific narrative, a foundational belief that deep down, once you wash away the topsoil, it all makes sense, that there is an unshakeable and unmovable bedrock waiting. Sure, there is sand and water shaking our feet today, but deep below awaits solidity and surety. That ultimately, Truth is our steadfast ally. And that the only real way to find meaning and sanity is to root yourself to that bedrock. But what happens that day when we dig down and find nothing? When we realize that we are floating aimlessly in space towards nowhere, untethered from all meaning? If we have tied all our worth, thoughts, and values to that imaginary rock then we'll have nothing left.
- AmericanChopper 8y ago
  I agree that the leap of faith is the most common way people choose to live. But you seem to be describing it from a perspective of somebody who’s never asked themselves the question, or who gave up trying to answer it. To properly arrive at the leap of faith, you need to first accept that there are no universal truths. Then you can choose some axioms to base meaning on, and build outwards from there. I don’t believe that this approach is truly that orthodox, even if it may arrive at a similar destination to not asking the question to begin with. There is no universal truth anywhere in life. Even empiricism is based on our subjective experiences, and rationalism is also flawed in exactly the same way. Life itself doesn’t offer any bedrock of truth, but that doesn’t mean truth doesn’t exist. You can take the leap of faith and create your own truth in life.