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> Will the lack of new physics cascade down It's not that there's "lack" of anything, except understanding. "New" is in the eyes of the observer, the way I see
by acqq 8y ago
> Will the lack of new physics cascade down
It's not that there's "lack" of anything, except understanding. "New" is in the eyes of the observer, the way I see it, there are very new and fascinating discoveries every year. It's more how the expectations aren't properly communicated. Like the article author writes:
"I fear a complex set of issues is likely to get over-simplified, and this over-simplified version of the book’s argument is all that much of the public is ever going to hear about it. "
It's all about for what the physicists can get the funding to explore. The biggest worry is the perception of "simple" public (some of which are actually deciding what is going to be financed) that there have to be "successes" however the "successes" are defined.
In reality, in physics, investing a lot of energy to find something and not finding that something can still be a point of a new beginning, and we had that in history a lot. Without Michelson-Morley experiments that didn't find what was "expected" there would be no Special and General Relativity -- these experiments were necessary. And the invention of Michelson still gives fascinating results: the first measurement of merging of black holes, only a few years ago, more than 100 years after Michelson's first experiment, used as the basis the concepts first invented by Michelson. We simply have to fund the experiments, and every properly done experiment is success, even if the results aren't what a lot of people expected to be.
There were the times where new paricles “appearing” wasn’t expected. Now the expectations were that even relatively small efforts must bring new particles. These expectations will most likely be adjusted.
Regarding financing, for example, the last time I've checked the total cost of everything LHC did, including building it and operating it for years, was around 9 billion of dollars. It's effectively nothing, compared to 1,500 billions of dollars (!) that are still planned to be spent on a plane that will surely not advance the science, famous F-35(!) (and much more is already spent than on LHC!) That puts some views in real perspective. One military plane could finance building and operation of one totally new LHC for at least 150 years, every year one new.
- kgwgk 8y ago> One military plane To be fair, that budget is for 2500 planes and their maintenance over 50 years.
- eecc 8y agoStill, the difference in potential outcomes for humanity are substantial. For sure one will only ever achieve blowing up someone with better precision than before... how exiting!
- fjsolwmv 8y agoF-35 isn't for blowing things up, it's for deterring war. Fat good your particle accelerators do if thet constant get blown up in war. Deterring war is the greatest way to unlock human prosperity. And killing with precision means saving lives, the greatest good in the world.
- ThemalSpan 8y agoDo you believe that? All that kind of investment does is keep the war machine spinning, and the U.S. will continue to keep the world a violent place. Investing in healthcare, education, and infrastructure on a global scale would a) be possible with that kind of budget and b) do a lot more to prevent war, since there would be a whole lot less to fight about.
- acqq 8y agoAnd it's compared to the budget of all costs for the development, building, maintenance and running of a single and unique LHC. Whereas the costs for producing 2500 planes are spread to all of them. Nevertheless the total LHC budget is a cost of mere 15 of the said series of 2500 units. The cost per unit of the whole series is 600 millions per unit! It's quite obvious something is wrong in these investments. But the real science (especially to observe the Earth, the climate and the effects of global warming) struggles for breadcrumbs or even for pure survival. Because ideology, not rational thinking.