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Because of course it's a good idea to chase off extremely low crime demographics. What a smart move! /ssssss I'm sure this ain't breaking the hearts of most Mo

by qop 8y ago

Because of course it's a good idea to chase off extremely low crime demographics. What a smart move! /ssssss I'm sure this ain't breaking the hearts of most Mormons anyways. Utah will take them with open arms.

PhasmaFelis 8y ago
Mormons are decent people overall, but the church is still officially quite homophobic. I wouldn't really want 200,000 (or even a significant percentage of that) homophobic voters moving in next door to me. I like having civil rights.
ggg9990 8y ago
I have no problem with Mormons but I still would use any tactics available to stop 200,000 of them from moving into my town of 20,000. I don’t want to be in a 10% minority by virtue of not being Mormon... if I was OK with that I’d live in Provo.
- qop 8y ago
  You must not be familiar with Mormons then. They're very pleasant people. I'd kill to be outnumbered by Mormons, the neighborhood would improve so much! They're not different people because of their religion. They are Democrats AND Republicans. Tippers and non-tippers. Toilet roll up and toilet roll down. Gif and gif. It's different than if 200,000 Muslims were moving in. Then you might have qualms a la Paris. I grew up in Utah, so of course I have a lot more experience and perspective on Mormons in particular. I'd kill to have them come swarm Hoboken with their wholesome non-caffeinated selves.
  - ggg9990 8y ago
    I know lots of Mormons and I like them. I just like my neighborhood the way it is. If 200,000 Mormons moved in, I wouldn’t move out, but I’d try to stop it. If 200,000 Muslims moved in, I’d definitely sell my house.
    - jbm 8y ago
      On a less sour and prejudiced note, I really liked my Mormon coworkers at a previous job. We shared a lot of values (although I am not particularly conservative) I enjoyed not being subtly pressured to drink. If they moved in it wouldn’t bother me particularly.
  - meatbundragon 8y ago
    I think it's more about a town of 20k becoming completely altered by the influx of 200k people who came in as a group in order to reshape the area. Even if they were exactly my demographic (age, ethnicity, spirituality and all), the explicit intention of reshaping where I call home by these non-natives would give me pause. I think GP was trying to convey a similar feeling.
  - Jedi72 8y ago
    > I'd kill to be outnumbered by Mormons > I grew up in Utah Makes sense then? > It's different than if 200,000 Muslims were moving in Ugh.
  - bendmorris 8y ago
    >They are Democrats AND Republicans... As of 2016 they are the most heavily Republican-leaning religious group in the U.S. [1] Technically, there's a Democrat in every city in Utah, but let's not pretend they're a microcosm of the country without a very distinct culture. [1] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religiou...
    - gremlinsinc 8y ago
      This is really in-genuine. I say as an ex-mormon progressive democrat. Dems ARE a minority, and I have gotten flack and felt angry at Republican's at church, but I'd say it's about 70/30 in utah, but in some states (more Blue states) it shifts in the opposite direction. maybe 60/40 in Ohio (where I'm from)...but could be 50/50 or 40/60 in places like Vermont or NH which is very blue. That said, I've had a High Priest group leader at church bash LGBT and Obama while standing inches from the pulpit/microphone and wanted to walk up and punch him in the face. I wouldn't recommend Mormonism to anyone, CESLetter.com is a MUST read before you ever get baptized, I wish I'd read it before I wasted 20 years. Now I'm a happy agnostic studying humanism, secular buddhism, and stoicism to find my place in the world, and see if there's something out there to fill the void.
      - bendmorris 8y ago
        It's 70/20 in aggregate. It's your anecdotes vs. a Pew study, there's not much more to say.
        gremlinsinc 8y ago
        Does the pew study take into account the million+ members who are neither democrat/republican because they live outside the USA where politics is different? I'm sure Pew has a 100% accuracy and has never been wrong, and didn't just hit mormon strongholds. There's been a huge mormon exodus (out of the church) -- generally progressives because of the November policy a few years back, and a lot of other things that have come to light, so I think some of the study could definitely be off, and out-dated. Quitmormon.com a site that makes it easy to leave the church started about 2 years ago, and has processed 20,000+ removals, most people leave by sending in a letter, some leave by simply not going anymore and just telling them to stop coming round. Membership is in a huge 'flux' currently, I can't be certain of the numbers but it's a great deal more than 20k since 2015. I still have MANY friends in the church who are democrat, and I'm in a number of groups on fb with mormon democrats. Even in the entire state of Utah, I don't think it's 70/20 Republican to Democrat, SLC the most progressive city has a LGBT/democrat mayor, and has had a number of democrats as mayors. TLDR; there's a lot of movement in the church, the great millenial apostasy is on-going, studies can be off, and don't calculate exmormons which aren't mormon now, but definitely are still part of the 'culture' because they STILL have family who are, it's damn near impossible to fully cut ties from the church. These are my opinions, not technical points, but they're my observations from the inside out. Take them at face value.
  - dang 8y ago
    Religious flamebait and flamewar are not welcome on Hacker News. Please don't do this again.
    - qop 8y ago
      I didn't flame anybody? We're literally talking about mormons.
- wwweston 8y ago
  Plenty of Mormons feel the same way. :)

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PhasmaFelis 8y ago

Mormons are decent people overall, but the church is still officially quite homophobic. I wouldn't really want 200,000 (or even a significant percentage of that) homophobic voters moving in next door to me. I like having civil rights.

ggg9990 8y ago

I have no problem with Mormons but I still would use any tactics available to stop 200,000 of them from moving into my town of 20,000. I don’t want to be in a 10% minority by virtue of not being Mormon... if I was OK with that I’d live in Provo.

qop 8y ago
You must not be familiar with Mormons then. They're very pleasant people. I'd kill to be outnumbered by Mormons, the neighborhood would improve so much! They're not different people because of their religion. They are Democrats AND Republicans. Tippers and non-tippers. Toilet roll up and toilet roll down. Gif and gif. It's different than if 200,000 Muslims were moving in. Then you might have qualms a la Paris. I grew up in Utah, so of course I have a lot more experience and perspective on Mormons in particular. I'd kill to have them come swarm Hoboken with their wholesome non-caffeinated selves.
- ggg9990 8y ago
  I know lots of Mormons and I like them. I just like my neighborhood the way it is. If 200,000 Mormons moved in, I wouldn’t move out, but I’d try to stop it. If 200,000 Muslims moved in, I’d definitely sell my house.
  - jbm 8y ago
    On a less sour and prejudiced note, I really liked my Mormon coworkers at a previous job. We shared a lot of values (although I am not particularly conservative) I enjoyed not being subtly pressured to drink. If they moved in it wouldn’t bother me particularly.
- meatbundragon 8y ago
  I think it's more about a town of 20k becoming completely altered by the influx of 200k people who came in as a group in order to reshape the area. Even if they were exactly my demographic (age, ethnicity, spirituality and all), the explicit intention of reshaping where I call home by these non-natives would give me pause. I think GP was trying to convey a similar feeling.
- Jedi72 8y ago
  > I'd kill to be outnumbered by Mormons > I grew up in Utah Makes sense then? > It's different than if 200,000 Muslims were moving in Ugh.
- bendmorris 8y ago
  >They are Democrats AND Republicans... As of 2016 they are the most heavily Republican-leaning religious group in the U.S. [1] Technically, there's a Democrat in every city in Utah, but let's not pretend they're a microcosm of the country without a very distinct culture. [1] http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religiou...
  - gremlinsinc 8y ago
    This is really in-genuine. I say as an ex-mormon progressive democrat. Dems ARE a minority, and I have gotten flack and felt angry at Republican's at church, but I'd say it's about 70/30 in utah, but in some states (more Blue states) it shifts in the opposite direction. maybe 60/40 in Ohio (where I'm from)...but could be 50/50 or 40/60 in places like Vermont or NH which is very blue. That said, I've had a High Priest group leader at church bash LGBT and Obama while standing inches from the pulpit/microphone and wanted to walk up and punch him in the face. I wouldn't recommend Mormonism to anyone, CESLetter.com is a MUST read before you ever get baptized, I wish I'd read it before I wasted 20 years. Now I'm a happy agnostic studying humanism, secular buddhism, and stoicism to find my place in the world, and see if there's something out there to fill the void.
    - bendmorris 8y ago
      It's 70/20 in aggregate. It's your anecdotes vs. a Pew study, there's not much more to say.
      - gremlinsinc 8y ago
        Does the pew study take into account the million+ members who are neither democrat/republican because they live outside the USA where politics is different? I'm sure Pew has a 100% accuracy and has never been wrong, and didn't just hit mormon strongholds. There's been a huge mormon exodus (out of the church) -- generally progressives because of the November policy a few years back, and a lot of other things that have come to light, so I think some of the study could definitely be off, and out-dated. Quitmormon.com a site that makes it easy to leave the church started about 2 years ago, and has processed 20,000+ removals, most people leave by sending in a letter, some leave by simply not going anymore and just telling them to stop coming round. Membership is in a huge 'flux' currently, I can't be certain of the numbers but it's a great deal more than 20k since 2015. I still have MANY friends in the church who are democrat, and I'm in a number of groups on fb with mormon democrats. Even in the entire state of Utah, I don't think it's 70/20 Republican to Democrat, SLC the most progressive city has a LGBT/democrat mayor, and has had a number of democrats as mayors. TLDR; there's a lot of movement in the church, the great millenial apostasy is on-going, studies can be off, and don't calculate exmormons which aren't mormon now, but definitely are still part of the 'culture' because they STILL have family who are, it's damn near impossible to fully cut ties from the church. These are my opinions, not technical points, but they're my observations from the inside out. Take them at face value.
- dang 8y ago
  Religious flamebait and flamewar are not welcome on Hacker News. Please don't do this again.
  - qop 8y ago
    I didn't flame anybody? We're literally talking about mormons.
wwweston 8y ago
Plenty of Mormons feel the same way. :)