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Another weird thing to me about Montreal compared to other cities I've lived in is that it's common for people to take their appliances with them when they move
by michaelmior 8y ago
Another weird thing to me about Montreal compared to other cities I've lived in is that it's common for people to take their appliances with them when they move. Perhaps that's normal elsewhere, but it was unique to me among the cities I've lived in.
- Naga 8y agoIt's a Quebec thing. I moved to Quebec a few years ago and had to buy a whole set of appliances, as every other place I lived in always came with them. Looking at other places around me as well, none of them come with appliances.
- deleteme12345 8y agoWhere? Lots of rent w/ furnished appliances in Montreal.
- OoooooooO 8y agoWhat do you mean with appliances? Dishwasher? Washing machine? Coffee maker? Sink? Stove?
- ajmurmann 8y agoWondering the same thing. In the US it seems people leave ovens and stoves behind and sometimes washing machines but not always. In Germany people move all that stuff.
- lbearl 8y agoI think it's regional. When I lived in the midwest all of the appliances came with the apartment. Now I live in Los Angeles and you have to bring your own fridge.
- jgh 8y agoThat doesn't seem to be a consistent thing in LA anyhow. But yeah definitely some apartments dont have fridges supplied.
- m-p-3 8y agoStove, refrigerator and washing machines norrmally moves with you in Quebec. Source: I always lived in the province of Quebec so far.
- alkonaut 8y agoIt seems crazy to leave a coffee maker. But it’s equally crazy to remove fitted appliances that presumably have widths/depths/heights specific to the kitchen. Either that or you have to build kitchens in such a way that it’s possible - e.g always free-standing fridges with no fitted cupboards on top etc.
- auxym 8y ago> Either that or you have to build kitchens in such a way that it’s possible - e.g always free-standing fridges with no fitted cupboards on top etc. That's pretty much the case in Quebec. My current place has cupboards over the fridge, but they are pretty high up, so you can fit any non-humongous fridge in there. I'm really not much of a fan of the 1st of the July thing though. Finding movers is such a pain, and they charge 300% of the price of the off-season (every single other day of the year).
- michaelmior 8y agoInteresting. I've never heard a sink referred to as an appliance. Anyway, I was referring to larger appliances such as stoves, fridges, dishwashers, etc. Certainly people bring smaller things like coffee makers as well, but that never seemed unusual to me.
- sgc 8y agoa sink is a plumbing fixture, not an appliance.
- lostlogin 8y agoYou’ll get the coffee machine out my cold, dead hands. It’s 35kgs too, good luck.
- tobyhinloopen 8y agowhat coffee machine do you have? :o
- lostlogin 8y agoLa Cimbali Junior, older model. It’s fantastic. New ones are heavier and better but seriously pricey.
- dudul 8y agoIt's pretty common in France as well, unless it's a furnished rental, the renter brings their own fridge, stove, etc.
- josh64 8y agoIn Australia you bring your own whitegoods but stoves are usually built into the kitchen.
- foobarbazetc 8y agoThis is common in Australia. You move everything that isn’t part of the rental. So you move your fridge, washing machine and dryer, and microwave. The stove, oven and dishwasher are usually the landlord’s.
- wcarss 8y agoIn North America the refrigerator and clothes washer/dryer are usually the landlord's, but sometimes people own their own clothes stuff -- I think self-ownership is becoming less common with time, but only have anecdata to back it up.
- bumblebritches5 8y agoNo. A sink, stove (with oven), and fridge all come with whatever you're renting. Usually you buy a washing machine and dryer seperately, tho a small minority of apartments come with them.
- crooked-v 8y agoIf I ever rent out my place it will absolutely include the appliances (fridge, stove, dishwasher, washing machine) and probably some bits of furniture like bookcases, because it'd take a whole team of people working for half a day to get it all down 4 extremely tight flights of stairs, and that's half the depreciated value of it all right there anyway.
- jen729w 8y agoWasher/dryer is often included, because the law states that if there isn’t a suitable outdoor area, some sort of drying facility must be supplied. (In VIC it does, anyway.)
- cameldrv 8y agoIt's even worse in (some parts of?) Germany. Most apartments come without a kitchen. The law says that they have to provide a sink and a stove, and they provide the cheapest stove there is and a little pedestal sink. You're expected to ask the landlord to remove these and order a kitchen, with all of the cabinets, countertops, sink, refrigerator, washing machine, and stove. When you move, you either try to take it all apart and make it fit in your new apartment, or try to sell it to the next tenant. With first month's rent, 3 months security deposit, and a kitchen, moving in to an apartment is very expensive.
- andybak 8y agoIt's very hard to get unstuck from a local maximum
- bumblebritches5 8y ago3 months security deposit?! In the U.S. you pay your first and last months rent, plus 1 month's rent worth of a security deposit...
- st26 8y agoAre the cabinets, countertops, sinks, etc very different in German apartments? (Simpler, less customized, more minimal) You're practically describing a full kitchen remodel in the US, which might run $10,000-20,000, or so I hear, with at least a week of labor...
- Slartie 8y agoIt depends on the kitchen size and your expectations. Your price range describes kitchens that we would never buy for a rental apartment, but only for a self-owned one or a house you bought. The more typical kitchens in rental apartments cost between 1000-6000€, and take one or two days to build up (for a professional, although a lot of people do large parts of the work themselves or have talented friends do it, so it takes a little longer but is cheaper). Many times people also bring their old appliances from their old kitchens with them, so they only need to buy the cabinets and stuff. It still is one of the big pain points in moving: what happens with the old kitchen, and where do I get a new one from?
- gregmac 8y agoIf it's a rental, and doesn't include appliances, of course you'd take appliances you purchase since you own them. In every place I've rented in Ontario, appliances were included -- which is common but not universal. I've only owned two houses, where it's a matter of negotiation. The first place we purchased from a couple downsizing to an apartment, and the terms of sale just included everything. We ended up replacing the fridge and stove after a couple years anyway. Also learned a lesson there, because they included an old fridge in the basement that we didn't need but figured whatever, why not. We never even used it, and then refinished the basement and ended up having to pay to have it disposed. The second place left nothing but the dishwasher, while the people buying our place offered some money for all our appliances. We took our new fridge and stove - since it wasn't really worth it to us to sell <2 year old stuff and then have to buy brand new at retail price - and sold them the rest for next to nothing (or maybe just left them, I can't remember).
- michaelmior 8y agoI certainly don't think it's odd to take appliances that you own with you when you move to a new apartment without appliances. My point is that my experience everywhere else I've lived is that the landlord owns the appliances and renters just use whatever appliances come with the unit.