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This may be true, but this is also what people have been saying for years. All the other auto manufactures do is release cool concept cars at car shows and then
by themagician 8y ago
This may be true, but this is also what people have been saying for years. All the other auto manufactures do is release cool concept cars at car shows and then go back to producing the same watered down garbage.
Right now there isn’t an EV that even comes close to a Tesla. And even the traditional luxury brands like BMW and Mercedes are losing to Tesla on the tech side which is increasingly the part of luxury that people care about.
Everyone else keeps talking about these imaginary cars that other manufactures are going to make that are going to put Tesla out of business. It’s been FIVE YEARS of that talk… and nothing.
- cowmix 8y agoThe iPace from Jaguar is a really good start however it still suffers from: 1) Dealerships: they still hate selling EVs. (My personal experience - my GM dealer spent hours trying to convince me to not by my Volt). 2) Charging: Tesla has the only serious world-wide charging network. 3) Software: Telsa (for good or bad) updates their software all the time. People get 'goodies' every few months. My Volt, only a handful of VERY minor software updates in five years. People are coming to expect that.
- _ph_ 8y agoAnd the biggest problem: Jaguar plans to make only 20k cars in the first production year. I hope they have plans to increase production considerably, or it will be another token electric car.
- gizmo 8y agoThat's funny, because last year Tesla produced only 3000 or so Model 3s.
- hackerman12345 8y agoAnd in the first quarter of 2018 they produced: Model S: 11,730 Model X: 10,070 Model 3: 8,180
- gizmo 8y agoThe argument was that Jaguar wasn't serious because they're only making 20k of their electric car in the first year of production. I pointed out that Tesla hasn't produced 20k of any of their cars during the first year of production. That's noteworthy hypocrisy. We know that established car manufacturers can ramp up quickly if they want to. Can Tesla? So far, the evidence indicates they cannot.
- paranoidrobot 8y agoTesla also didn't have the decades of experience and existing production lines to work on. >We know that established car manufacturers can ramp up quickly if they want to. The evidence so far indicates that they don't.
- usaphp 8y agoI don’t think bmw or Audi are losing to Tesla in technology. They both have pretty good autopilot now and each has its own cool tech features, like the 360 camera in bmw or the digital dashboard in Audi. I am sure bmw or Audi can release a fully electric sedan to compete with Tesla, but most people I know who own bmw or Audi - they don’t like the idea of a fully electric car. They want a sense of security in having a gas engine. I guess the market is just too small for bmw and Audi to even try and go compete with Tesla at the moment. Maybe later...
- paranoidrobot 8y agoYes, I'm expecting that it'll take a while for the market as a whole to get used to the idea that they don't actually need a gas engine. So I expect that EVs with range-extenders to launch first, but there still doesn't seem to be any major commitments along that front.
- cowmix 8y agoThis isn't 2010. It is settled, range-extenders have a very limited self-life. I've had a Volt for five years, love the car. For me and most of my fellow Volt owners, our next (and then on) car will be a full EV.
- paranoidrobot 8y ago> our next (and then on) car will be a full EV. Yep, but I think many others will have to go through the same journey before they believe in having a pure-BEV.
- themagician 8y agoI haven’t had an Audi, but I have had many BMWs and a VW (which, UI wise, is the same as an Audi). It’s not really close to a Tesla. The digital cockpit is OKAY, but the car still has 50 buttons and it’s buggy. The infotainment system resets itself all the time. Audio glitches with car play. It’s half assed and never updated like everything else with the auto industry these days.
- paranoidrobot 8y agoThis. So much talk about fantastic new options coming to market "real soon now", and I'm all for that. What seems to be missing is the orders for batteries (cells or packs) for any large scale manufacturing of an EV line. That'll be the actual indicator that someone is finally taking EVs seriously, and not just using it for a marketing opportunity.
- compcoffee 8y agoTesla has been at this for fifteen years. The competition is coming, but it takes time.
- themagician 8y agoCool, so I’ll look for BMWs answer to today’s Tesla in 2028. I’ll just mark it down on my calendar.