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Ubuntu 10.10 (Maverick Meerkat) Release Candidate

128 points by Uncle_Sam 16y ago

mseebach 16y ago
Slightly more relevant link: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta#New%20features%20in%20Maverick http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta#New%20features%2...
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- mgunes 16y ago
  That's slightly outdated, as it's the beta page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview reflects the latest state of things.
someone_here 16y ago
This release uses a new interface font, which is the first major OS (that I know of, anyways) to not use a Helvetica-like font for their GUI. Mark Shuttleworth talks about the decision and impact on his blog: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/537 http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/537
- retube 16y ago
  screenshots: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-beta-has.html http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-...
  - bruceD 16y ago
    Release candidate screenshots: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-release.html http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-...
  - cpach 16y ago
    Oh, nice to see a light, pale theme, like in Mac OS. It's much easier on the eyes, at least for me.
    - ithkuil 16y ago
      it was already there in the 10.04, albeit not default
      - cpach 16y ago
        Hm. Seems like they tweaked it tough? The theme in the screenshot looks much lighter than the Radiance theme in my 10.04 install.
    - nailer 16y ago
      Anybody else think this is the first ever professional looking Linux distro they've ever seen? Congrats to the Ubuntu team.
      - dkarl 16y ago
        You must be a graphic designer :-) I thought, "What does attractive have to do with professional?" and then realized you meant designed by professionals, not designed for professionals. Professionals' tools tend to look beautiful to them and ugly to everyone else. Maybe this is a step toward changing that, at least for Linux. (Except I'll still have emacs taking up at least half my screen space, with its functional but butt-ugly syntax colorization....)
        nailer 16y ago
        Nope, I'm a programmer. I just don't like brightly colored notification icons all over my GNOME taskbar. They're distracting - looks (and discoverability, and other UI aspects) directly affect usability, I'm surprised you say you don't get that. As a counterpoint to your argument, I'd say OS X has more professional UI designers than Windows or the Linux OSs and is generally regarded as being more usable too.
  - thvdburgt 16y ago
    The asymmetrical upper case T annoys me.
- bruceD 16y ago
  The font is available on the CD, but it has not been set as default (and it might not be default in the final release either).
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  - mgunes 16y ago
    It will most likely be default for everything other than monospace and document fonts. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/649616 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bu...
- dchest 16y ago
  How's Lucida Grande Helvetica-like?
- fluidcruft 16y ago
  Macintosh prior to OSX used Chicago and Charcoal. These are fairly distinctive and aren't really "Helvetica-like" in my mind. Chicago in particular was pretty much synonymous with "Macintosh" and was used in early iPods. Pre-MacOS machines used fixed-width bitmapped fonts that fall more in the range of "programmer fonts" than Helvetica.
  - someone_here 16y ago
    Nifty. I would have been 9 at the time :)
- LoonyPandora 16y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean by "Helvetica-like". OS X Uses Lucida Grande as a system font, which is quite different to Helvetica (Lucida Grande == Humanist, Helvetica == Neo Grotesque) I can't vouch for Windows, but if memory serves it's system font is also a humanist style.
- jdub 16y ago
  Practically every Linux distro uses DejaVu Sans (previously Bitstream Vera Sans), which is not Helvetica-like. Windows and OS X don't use Helvetica-like fonts either. I think you might be smoking an Arial hash pipe... because Helvetica is clearly too good for you! :-)
- Mizza 16y ago
  My friend made this: Compare: Ubuntu font overlaid on Verdana and LiberationSans: http://i.imgur.com/51jao.png http://i.imgur.com/51jao.png
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sandGorgon 16y ago
On the other hand, I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right, that critical aspects like suspend/resume are broken, but not fixed. Bug 568711 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568711)is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568711)... particularly nasty because it is a confirmed bug in suspend/resume that has a lot of people being affected by it - but has been relegated to medium severity and is currently unassigned.
- moxiemk1 16y ago
  It seems highly improbably that the people working on fonts and design would otherwise be working on suspend/resume. Medium severity sounds right for a bug that only affects users with certain hardware. High severity should be reserved for things with a wider impact, or else it loses its meaning.
  - sandGorgon 16y ago
    ordinarily I would agree, but there are a LOT of affected users with suspend/resume problems. Now, it might be statistically true that there are exponentially more people who are working on desktops - but there are an insignificant number of people using Ubuntu on laptops. Why this bug is particularly significant is that the bug affects people with across very different hardware configurations, manufacturer and model. Still, I grant that I do not know how does one figure out the issues with wider impact: but this particular one has 77 people marked on the "affects me" list. That is not an insignificant number (not the total number of people affected, but rather who bothered to search the tracker and then file a bug)
  - dkarl 16y ago
    The number of users affected is unknown, but the list of laptops mentioned in that thread is pretty varied, and it makes Ubuntu unusable for those folks. I know OSS needs to be more attentive to aesthetics, but let's not forget that "Ew, I just can't STAND these fonts" is a different kind of unusable from "I tried six obscure workarounds listed in a bug report, but none worked, so I installed a different OS." Using a laptop exclusively as one's primary computer is extremely common these days. If showstopper bugs are tolerated on laptops, the perception of Linux viability for non-tinkerers is going to regress back to five or ten years ago when it was common to encounter bugs like this in a desktop install.
metachris 16y ago
I'm glad that the Maverick Meerkat EC2 images(1) are working great. In the latest Lucid Lynx image (24.9.) as well as in the updates for the previous ones they introduced a nasty bug(2) causing a phantom load of 100% on one CPU. No fix in sight yet; this was really annoying. In my experiments so far, Maverick Meerkat works just great! [1] http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/releases/ http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/releases/ [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/574910 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/574910
mgunes 16y ago
The RC has not actually been released. Various news sites are reporting it prematurely to get extra traffic as usual, and the Ubuntu Release Team would like people to wait [1] for the official release announcement, which will be posted to the release blog [2] , and the ubuntu-announce mailing list [3]. [1] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/ubuntu-10-10-release-candidate-available-for-download/#comment-82347882 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/ubuntu-10-10-release-cand... [2] http://release-blog.ubuntu.com http://release-blog.ubuntu.com [3] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce
- illumen 16y ago
  It has now :)
- toodlestech 16y ago
  This is pretty highly ranked for being unsound. If "premature" means a couple hours before the actual announcement then you sir are correct. Those various sights we're actually correct.
olalonde 16y ago
Is it possible to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 without reinstalling the whole OS?
- Tichy 16y ago
  It should be? What gives you reason to think it isn't possible?
  - olalonde 16y ago
    Just asking since I've only been using Ubuntu for a few weeks.
  - sigzero 16y ago
    I don't think he means "technically" possible. I think he just mean "How can I?".
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- div 16y ago
  Should be possible via update-manager soon enough. Even major upgrades (6.04 -> 7.04 etc) have been possible for a year or two at least.
  - nuclear_eclipse 16y ago
    Minor niggle: it was 6.06; they delayed that release by two months in preparation for their very first LTS release.
    - mgedmin 16y ago
      And another one: you can upgrade 6.06 (a Long Term Support release) directly to 8.04 (the next Long Term Support release), but to get to 7.04 you had to do incremental upgrades to every intermediate release (6.06 -> 6.10 -> 7.04).
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tolini 16y ago
Ok, my previous comment ("Who cares?") seemed to be thoughtless or even offensive (~15 downvotes in 5 minutes), and I have to acknowledge that it lacked quite some arguments. So let me ask: why does this news deserve so much attention to stand in front of HN? What interesting innovation, except the GUI, has brought this new OS release? Is an OS all about GUI and look & feel? Generally speaking, I am just fed up with all this thoughtless media attention.
- weego 16y ago
  "Is an OS all about GUI and look & feel?" Considering 95% of the world don't care about anything but how something looks and whether they can interact with it in a way that makes sense I would suggest that it is, to a large degree. They also need a good foundation of course but too often do people in the OSS communities confuse having a solid foundation with having a winning product.
- sandGorgon 16y ago
  Generally related to the UI, but from a technology viewpoint - this release will use Freetype 2.4 which is the first released that is not patent encumbered by Apple or Microsoft (all those patents expired in May) Though Ubuntu has always shipped with the patent encumbered stuff turned on, but I think we are going to see some interesting innovation in font rendering going forward.
- aphexairlines 16y ago
  I don't think it's on the front page because 10.10 is innovative. It's on the front page because it's Ubuntu, which is popular among HN linux users.
- niels_olson 16y ago
  One thing I like about the bi-annual Ubuntu announcements is that it has provided a sort of mental metronome for the pace of development, and a moment to reflect on when, exactly, I did I last update those servers?
whyworryagain 16y ago
Can I dual boot ubuntu on my mac? I am looking to get a mac to replace my netbook.
- stanleydrew 16y ago
  I am, but it hasn't been particularly great. There are some hardware issues, mostly surrounding audio and multiple monitors, that I haven't experienced when running Ubuntu on other machines.
  - xorglorb 16y ago
    Strange, Lucid works great without any problems on my Macbook Pro 6,2. What model are you running?
- cdr 16y ago
  The dual booting part should be painless, but as stanleydrew noted you may encounter problems with hardware support in Ubuntu.
- nagrom 16y ago
  Given the maturity of the software, there's no reason not just to run a virtualbox on Mac OS X with Ubuntu inside it. It's a hell of a lot easier than messing around with the partitions on your hard drive and worrying about hardware support. Unless you do very intensive real time work on the linux install, it's almost unnoticeable from a performance viewpoint.
yason 16y ago
This is the first time I haven't found a human-readable summary anywhere of the new features and major changes of the upcoming Ubuntu version. They used to have this but now their release pages just point to a list of ~250 blueprints which doesn't constitute a "human-readable summary". Can someone help, please?
- mgunes 16y ago
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview
u48998 16y ago
I hate Ubuntu, there is no support for it. Tried it twice already. They need to go back to the drawing board.
- rfugger 16y ago
  An overview of support options, which are mainly free: http://www.ubuntu.com/support http://www.ubuntu.com/support If you need live human support for a consumer desktop system, you can purchase it on a yearly basis: http://www.canonical.com/consumer-services/support http://www.canonical.com/consumer-services/support
  - u48998 16y ago
    I wish to use Ubuntu because I have slightly older hardware, but if it renders youtube video in slow motion and if I see tons of similar complaints on the internet, than what good is an operating system competing with Microsoft which isn't even working well right out of the box? Everyone seems to be getting greedy for updated hardware and operating systems. I don't really care to upgrade my hardware every two years. If Ubuntu cannot deliver without fastest processor and video memory, than they might as well just start selling to corporate and be done with the free stuff.
    - fader 16y ago
      Youtube is rendered by Flash. Entirely. As in, Ubuntu did not write the software, has no control over it, and can't make it run any faster. Just like Apple and Microsoft can't. There are also slimmed down Ubuntu versions for older hardware, e.g. Xubuntu and Lubuntu. Those run much faster on aging systems, allowing Ubuntu to support people with newer hardware. Not to mention that nobody's forcing you to update if you don't want to. For example, 8.04 is still officially supported through April 2011 for desktops and 2013 for servers. Please feel free to continue using that if it works better for you.
- rufugee 16y ago
  Um....ok. At my day job pay roughly $150 a year to Canonical for support. I don't really need it, mind you, as most of the time the system operates as expected. However, it was a way to give a little back to a company who has done a lot for Linux over the years. I have used it on occasion, and aside from the rather crappy salesforce interface they're using to track cases, it works very well. The responses are quick and the engineers are very knowledgeable.
makeramen 16y ago
Their power management is the only thing keeping me away at this moment. Right now Win7 is getting almost double the battery life on my laptop. Ubuntu boot times are impeccable though.
weel 16y ago
Works fine for me already.
mohammedsk 16y ago
I also gave up on Ubuntu. I had Dell D800 and Ubuntu was working just fine including suspend/hibernate. Now I got a new ASUS, where suspend/hibernate does not work. I decided to stick with Windows 7, it is more reliable for me when it comes to that issue. Although, I miss Ubuntu, for me it is a much better OS. Hopefully on day, before I am dead, they will fix this issue.

128 points by Uncle_Sam 16y ago

Slightly more relevant link: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta#New%20features%20in%20Maverick http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/maverick/beta#New%20features%2...

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mgunes 16y ago
That's slightly outdated, as it's the beta page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview reflects the latest state of things.

someone_here 16y ago

This release uses a new interface font, which is the first major OS (that I know of, anyways) to not use a Helvetica-like font for their GUI. Mark Shuttleworth talks about the decision and impact on his blog: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/537 http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/537

retube 16y ago
screenshots: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-beta-has.html http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-...
- bruceD 16y ago
  Release candidate screenshots: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-release.html http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/ubuntu-1010-maverick-meerkat-...
- cpach 16y ago
  Oh, nice to see a light, pale theme, like in Mac OS. It's much easier on the eyes, at least for me.
  - ithkuil 16y ago
    it was already there in the 10.04, albeit not default
    - cpach 16y ago
      Hm. Seems like they tweaked it tough? The theme in the screenshot looks much lighter than the Radiance theme in my 10.04 install.
  - nailer 16y ago
    Anybody else think this is the first ever professional looking Linux distro they've ever seen? Congrats to the Ubuntu team.
    - dkarl 16y ago
      You must be a graphic designer :-) I thought, "What does attractive have to do with professional?" and then realized you meant designed by professionals, not designed for professionals. Professionals' tools tend to look beautiful to them and ugly to everyone else. Maybe this is a step toward changing that, at least for Linux. (Except I'll still have emacs taking up at least half my screen space, with its functional but butt-ugly syntax colorization....)
      - nailer 16y ago
        Nope, I'm a programmer. I just don't like brightly colored notification icons all over my GNOME taskbar. They're distracting - looks (and discoverability, and other UI aspects) directly affect usability, I'm surprised you say you don't get that. As a counterpoint to your argument, I'd say OS X has more professional UI designers than Windows or the Linux OSs and is generally regarded as being more usable too.
- thvdburgt 16y ago
  The asymmetrical upper case T annoys me.
bruceD 16y ago
The font is available on the CD, but it has not been set as default (and it might not be default in the final release either).
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- mgunes 16y ago
  It will most likely be default for everything other than monospace and document fonts. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bug/649616 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-artwork/+bu...
dchest 16y ago
How's Lucida Grande Helvetica-like?
fluidcruft 16y ago
Macintosh prior to OSX used Chicago and Charcoal. These are fairly distinctive and aren't really "Helvetica-like" in my mind. Chicago in particular was pretty much synonymous with "Macintosh" and was used in early iPods. Pre-MacOS machines used fixed-width bitmapped fonts that fall more in the range of "programmer fonts" than Helvetica.
- someone_here 16y ago
  Nifty. I would have been 9 at the time :)
LoonyPandora 16y ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "Helvetica-like". OS X Uses Lucida Grande as a system font, which is quite different to Helvetica (Lucida Grande == Humanist, Helvetica == Neo Grotesque) I can't vouch for Windows, but if memory serves it's system font is also a humanist style.
jdub 16y ago
Practically every Linux distro uses DejaVu Sans (previously Bitstream Vera Sans), which is not Helvetica-like. Windows and OS X don't use Helvetica-like fonts either. I think you might be smoking an Arial hash pipe... because Helvetica is clearly too good for you! :-)
Mizza 16y ago
My friend made this: Compare: Ubuntu font overlaid on Verdana and LiberationSans: http://i.imgur.com/51jao.png http://i.imgur.com/51jao.png

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sandGorgon 16y ago

On the other hand, I am getting tired of the way that Ubuntu is focusing so much on getting its fonts right, that critical aspects like suspend/resume are broken, but not fixed. Bug 568711 (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568711)is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/568711)... particularly nasty because it is a confirmed bug in suspend/resume that has a lot of people being affected by it - but has been relegated to medium severity and is currently unassigned.

moxiemk1 16y ago
It seems highly improbably that the people working on fonts and design would otherwise be working on suspend/resume. Medium severity sounds right for a bug that only affects users with certain hardware. High severity should be reserved for things with a wider impact, or else it loses its meaning.
- sandGorgon 16y ago
  ordinarily I would agree, but there are a LOT of affected users with suspend/resume problems. Now, it might be statistically true that there are exponentially more people who are working on desktops - but there are an insignificant number of people using Ubuntu on laptops. Why this bug is particularly significant is that the bug affects people with across very different hardware configurations, manufacturer and model. Still, I grant that I do not know how does one figure out the issues with wider impact: but this particular one has 77 people marked on the "affects me" list. That is not an insignificant number (not the total number of people affected, but rather who bothered to search the tracker and then file a bug)
- dkarl 16y ago
  The number of users affected is unknown, but the list of laptops mentioned in that thread is pretty varied, and it makes Ubuntu unusable for those folks. I know OSS needs to be more attentive to aesthetics, but let's not forget that "Ew, I just can't STAND these fonts" is a different kind of unusable from "I tried six obscure workarounds listed in a bug report, but none worked, so I installed a different OS." Using a laptop exclusively as one's primary computer is extremely common these days. If showstopper bugs are tolerated on laptops, the perception of Linux viability for non-tinkerers is going to regress back to five or ten years ago when it was common to encounter bugs like this in a desktop install.

metachris 16y ago

I'm glad that the Maverick Meerkat EC2 images(1) are working great. In the latest Lucid Lynx image (24.9.) as well as in the updates for the previous ones they introduced a nasty bug(2) causing a phantom load of 100% on one CPU. No fix in sight yet; this was really annoying. In my experiments so far, Maverick Meerkat works just great! [1] http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/releases/ http://uec-images.ubuntu.com/server/releases/ [2] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/574910 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-on-ec2/+bug/574910

mgunes 16y ago

The RC has not actually been released. Various news sites are reporting it prematurely to get extra traffic as usual, and the Ubuntu Release Team would like people to wait [1] for the official release announcement, which will be posted to the release blog [2] , and the ubuntu-announce mailing list [3]. [1] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/ubuntu-10-10-release-candidate-available-for-download/#comment-82347882 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/09/ubuntu-10-10-release-cand... [2] http://release-blog.ubuntu.com http://release-blog.ubuntu.com [3] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce

illumen 16y ago
It has now :)
toodlestech 16y ago
This is pretty highly ranked for being unsound. If "premature" means a couple hours before the actual announcement then you sir are correct. Those various sights we're actually correct.

olalonde 16y ago

Is it possible to upgrade from 10.04 to 10.10 without reinstalling the whole OS?

Tichy 16y ago
It should be? What gives you reason to think it isn't possible?
- olalonde 16y ago
  Just asking since I've only been using Ubuntu for a few weeks.
- sigzero 16y ago
  I don't think he means "technically" possible. I think he just mean "How can I?".
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div 16y ago
Should be possible via update-manager soon enough. Even major upgrades (6.04 -> 7.04 etc) have been possible for a year or two at least.
- nuclear_eclipse 16y ago
  Minor niggle: it was 6.06; they delayed that release by two months in preparation for their very first LTS release.
  - mgedmin 16y ago
    And another one: you can upgrade 6.06 (a Long Term Support release) directly to 8.04 (the next Long Term Support release), but to get to 7.04 you had to do incremental upgrades to every intermediate release (6.06 -> 6.10 -> 7.04).
16y ago

tolini 16y ago

Ok, my previous comment ("Who cares?") seemed to be thoughtless or even offensive (~15 downvotes in 5 minutes), and I have to acknowledge that it lacked quite some arguments. So let me ask: why does this news deserve so much attention to stand in front of HN? What interesting innovation, except the GUI, has brought this new OS release? Is an OS all about GUI and look & feel? Generally speaking, I am just fed up with all this thoughtless media attention.

weego 16y ago
"Is an OS all about GUI and look & feel?" Considering 95% of the world don't care about anything but how something looks and whether they can interact with it in a way that makes sense I would suggest that it is, to a large degree. They also need a good foundation of course but too often do people in the OSS communities confuse having a solid foundation with having a winning product.
sandGorgon 16y ago
Generally related to the UI, but from a technology viewpoint - this release will use Freetype 2.4 which is the first released that is not patent encumbered by Apple or Microsoft (all those patents expired in May) Though Ubuntu has always shipped with the patent encumbered stuff turned on, but I think we are going to see some interesting innovation in font rendering going forward.
aphexairlines 16y ago
I don't think it's on the front page because 10.10 is innovative. It's on the front page because it's Ubuntu, which is popular among HN linux users.
niels_olson 16y ago
One thing I like about the bi-annual Ubuntu announcements is that it has provided a sort of mental metronome for the pace of development, and a moment to reflect on when, exactly, I did I last update those servers?

whyworryagain 16y ago

Can I dual boot ubuntu on my mac? I am looking to get a mac to replace my netbook.

stanleydrew 16y ago
I am, but it hasn't been particularly great. There are some hardware issues, mostly surrounding audio and multiple monitors, that I haven't experienced when running Ubuntu on other machines.
- xorglorb 16y ago
  Strange, Lucid works great without any problems on my Macbook Pro 6,2. What model are you running?
cdr 16y ago
The dual booting part should be painless, but as stanleydrew noted you may encounter problems with hardware support in Ubuntu.
nagrom 16y ago
Given the maturity of the software, there's no reason not just to run a virtualbox on Mac OS X with Ubuntu inside it. It's a hell of a lot easier than messing around with the partitions on your hard drive and worrying about hardware support. Unless you do very intensive real time work on the linux install, it's almost unnoticeable from a performance viewpoint.

yason 16y ago

This is the first time I haven't found a human-readable summary anywhere of the new features and major changes of the upcoming Ubuntu version. They used to have this but now their release pages just point to a list of ~250 blueprints which doesn't constitute a "human-readable summary". Can someone help, please?

mgunes 16y ago
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickMeerkat/TechnicalOverview

u48998 16y ago

I hate Ubuntu, there is no support for it. Tried it twice already. They need to go back to the drawing board.

rfugger 16y ago
An overview of support options, which are mainly free: http://www.ubuntu.com/support http://www.ubuntu.com/support If you need live human support for a consumer desktop system, you can purchase it on a yearly basis: http://www.canonical.com/consumer-services/support http://www.canonical.com/consumer-services/support
- u48998 16y ago
  I wish to use Ubuntu because I have slightly older hardware, but if it renders youtube video in slow motion and if I see tons of similar complaints on the internet, than what good is an operating system competing with Microsoft which isn't even working well right out of the box? Everyone seems to be getting greedy for updated hardware and operating systems. I don't really care to upgrade my hardware every two years. If Ubuntu cannot deliver without fastest processor and video memory, than they might as well just start selling to corporate and be done with the free stuff.
  - fader 16y ago
    Youtube is rendered by Flash. Entirely. As in, Ubuntu did not write the software, has no control over it, and can't make it run any faster. Just like Apple and Microsoft can't. There are also slimmed down Ubuntu versions for older hardware, e.g. Xubuntu and Lubuntu. Those run much faster on aging systems, allowing Ubuntu to support people with newer hardware. Not to mention that nobody's forcing you to update if you don't want to. For example, 8.04 is still officially supported through April 2011 for desktops and 2013 for servers. Please feel free to continue using that if it works better for you.
rufugee 16y ago
Um....ok. At my day job pay roughly $150 a year to Canonical for support. I don't really need it, mind you, as most of the time the system operates as expected. However, it was a way to give a little back to a company who has done a lot for Linux over the years. I have used it on occasion, and aside from the rather crappy salesforce interface they're using to track cases, it works very well. The responses are quick and the engineers are very knowledgeable.

makeramen 16y ago

Their power management is the only thing keeping me away at this moment. Right now Win7 is getting almost double the battery life on my laptop. Ubuntu boot times are impeccable though.

weel 16y ago

Works fine for me already.

mohammedsk 16y ago

I also gave up on Ubuntu. I had Dell D800 and Ubuntu was working just fine including suspend/hibernate. Now I got a new ASUS, where suspend/hibernate does not work. I decided to stick with Windows 7, it is more reliable for me when it comes to that issue. Although, I miss Ubuntu, for me it is a much better OS. Hopefully on day, before I am dead, they will fix this issue.