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They call it that because: marketing. In fact I don't understate it at all. It's impressive Toyota considered and accepted it comparative to their NAM counterpa

They call it that because: marketing. In fact I don't understate it at all. It's impressive Toyota considered and accepted it comparative to their NAM counterparts who laughed it off and ended up eating QA because of it. Musk being out of college at release if the Prius is irrelevant. The battery technology in early Prius was very bad. The delivery of the product was good, but if your inplication that the Prius fueled full EV you're off base by a significant margin. Also look at the growth of Prius from day 1. It wasn't an overnight success and many naysayers existed then about the viability, efficacy, reliability, etc. They were all proven wrong and the minimal gamble of Prius compared to a full EV including the Supercharger network pales in comparison with regard to market resistance (both consumer and competitor). I don't think you understand continuous improvement if you equate it to being "slow". Speed has no bearing, the meat is in the process itself. Continuous failure? Please elaborate. Failure in the product? No different than existing manufacturera and impressive track record given their time in the market. Failure to meet shareholder expectations? Sure. That's every company, and it's too bad Musk had to go public when he did. But if Tesla is a failure I'd like to see your success. Your argument devolved into pure subjective opinion rather quick.

wpietri 8y ago
I believe you are incorrect. It's hardly just Toyota's marketing department that credits Toyota with significant intellectual work. See, e.g., professors Liker and Rother at the University of Michigan. My point about Toyota working on the Prius well in advance of others, Musk included, is to demonstrate that their continuous improvement approach doesn't prevent them from making big changes. I don't know where you get me equating continuous improvement to slowness. Despite your quote marks, I did not use that word. As to Musk's failure to meet goals, you need look no further than the article up top, which says, "The company has failed to meet any of its production and delivery targets for the Model 3 since its splashy event in July 2017". That isn't a matter of opinion. Musk's ongoing failure to hit his own self-declared goals is a sign of a severe process problem.
- windexh8er 8y ago
  Because you set a goal and did not meet it with 100% completion does not define failure. If that's the case your argument holds true to, likely, every auto manufacturer quarter over quarter. That's a very diluted perspective across the board.
  - wpietri 8y ago
    You keep responding to things I didn't say, while ignoring the inconvenient things I did say. So I think we're done here. But just to be clear, I'm saying his repeated failure to hit goals is the not the definition of failure, but rather the sign of a severe process problem.

wpietri 8y ago

I believe you are incorrect. It's hardly just Toyota's marketing department that credits Toyota with significant intellectual work. See, e.g., professors Liker and Rother at the University of Michigan. My point about Toyota working on the Prius well in advance of others, Musk included, is to demonstrate that their continuous improvement approach doesn't prevent them from making big changes. I don't know where you get me equating continuous improvement to slowness. Despite your quote marks, I did not use that word. As to Musk's failure to meet goals, you need look no further than the article up top, which says, "The company has failed to meet any of its production and delivery targets for the Model 3 since its splashy event in July 2017". That isn't a matter of opinion. Musk's ongoing failure to hit his own self-declared goals is a sign of a severe process problem.

windexh8er 8y ago
Because you set a goal and did not meet it with 100% completion does not define failure. If that's the case your argument holds true to, likely, every auto manufacturer quarter over quarter. That's a very diluted perspective across the board.
- wpietri 8y ago
  You keep responding to things I didn't say, while ignoring the inconvenient things I did say. So I think we're done here. But just to be clear, I'm saying his repeated failure to hit goals is the not the definition of failure, but rather the sign of a severe process problem.