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Not really. We place super high priority on freedom from government influence. It's OK for a company to fuck you over but not the government for <reasons>. E

by sbov 8y ago

Not really. We place super high priority on freedom from government influence. It's OK for a company to fuck you over but not the government for <reasons>. Edit: I know the <reasons>, but the debate about that is not particularly relevant here.

reaperducer 8y ago
but not the government for <reasons>. Here ya go, precious child. Edumacate yerself. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrant 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution
- dang 8y ago
  Personal attacks will get you banned here. We've warned you about this before, so please don't do that again. Also, could you please not post unsubstantive comments or flamewar comments of any kind? We're trying for better than that here, and need everyone's help. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
trav4225 8y ago
We cannot escape the government. We can choose to ignore any or all companies. If I want to, I can lock myself in my house, disconnect from society, and subsist on my backyard garden. But there is no escape from the state. Even if I go completely off-grid and never leave my property, the state still comes banging on my door, demanding a rent payment for property I (supposedly) own -- i.e., property tax.
- maxsilver 8y ago
  > We can choose to ignore any or all companies. Except you can't actually do that. There's a huge list of companies you simply can not choose to ignore. That's sort of why monopoly/oligopoly is so evil, and why strong independent antitrust action is so critical for preserving freedom. Yes, you can escape all companies if you live like a hermit in a prepper dungeon on your property (that you somehow purchased while 'ignoring all companies' with money you got ahold of by 'ignoring all companies'), That is technically one form of freedom. But most people define Freedom a bit more broadly than that.
  - trav4225 8y ago
    Thanks for commenting. I understand your position, but the extreme "hermit" case is exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't say anything about purchasing a shelter. I can hang leaves over sticks like humans have done for millennia. I am owed nothing by the world and I have no right to demand that companies provide me with anything. I agree that I probably understand "freedom" differently than most, but my definition demands nothing from my fellow citizens (which is what "companies" are made of). :)

by sbov 8y ago

reaperducer 8y ago

but not the government for <reasons>. Here ya go, precious child. Edumacate yerself. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrant 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolution

dang 8y ago
Personal attacks will get you banned here. We've warned you about this before, so please don't do that again. Also, could you please not post unsubstantive comments or flamewar comments of any kind? We're trying for better than that here, and need everyone's help. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

trav4225 8y ago

We cannot escape the government. We can choose to ignore any or all companies. If I want to, I can lock myself in my house, disconnect from society, and subsist on my backyard garden. But there is no escape from the state. Even if I go completely off-grid and never leave my property, the state still comes banging on my door, demanding a rent payment for property I (supposedly) own -- i.e., property tax.

maxsilver 8y ago
> We can choose to ignore any or all companies. Except you can't actually do that. There's a huge list of companies you simply can not choose to ignore. That's sort of why monopoly/oligopoly is so evil, and why strong independent antitrust action is so critical for preserving freedom. Yes, you can escape all companies if you live like a hermit in a prepper dungeon on your property (that you somehow purchased while 'ignoring all companies' with money you got ahold of by 'ignoring all companies'), That is technically one form of freedom. But most people define Freedom a bit more broadly than that.
- trav4225 8y ago
  Thanks for commenting. I understand your position, but the extreme "hermit" case is exactly what I'm talking about. I didn't say anything about purchasing a shelter. I can hang leaves over sticks like humans have done for millennia. I am owed nothing by the world and I have no right to demand that companies provide me with anything. I agree that I probably understand "freedom" differently than most, but my definition demands nothing from my fellow citizens (which is what "companies" are made of). :)