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Are you and the OP intentionally victim blaming a person who was murdered for calling out an online troll?

some_account 8y ago
No it's about understanding the reasons why this happened. To me, they are both victims and this wouldn't happen in a sane society. I'm looking at society and being happy I will only be here 40 more years. Because I'm not optimistic about the future. Humans are being led down the path of self destruction.
- iooi 8y ago
  Goddamn, someone was murdered and you really think the murderer is a victim because he was called dumb on the internet?
  - some_account 8y ago
    Yeah they are both victims. It's not a natural behavior of humans to act like this.
    - CiPHPerCoder 8y ago
      There was clearly one murder victim involved in this story, and that's a far more significant crime than "trolling people" or "trolling trolls who troll people".
      - some_account 8y ago
        Of course the killer has committed the worst crime, no doubt about that. But I think we are being conditioned into extremely fast blame games sometimes. These things wouldn't happen in a more evolved society. When is society to blame?
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        There's no such thing as society. The world's just a bunch of people.
        emodendroket 8y ago
        There's no such thing as a person. Organic matter's just a bunch of atoms.
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        Actually if you're looking for something to blame, people are it. There isn't a society to blame. That's an abstract concept only useful if you want to sabotage your ability to think about stuff.
        emodendroket 8y ago
        No, you can't think about social dynamics by merely considering people as atoms in a vacuum. Well, you can, but your suppositions will have an attenuated relationship to reality.
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        The only part of "society" that the guy interacted with were people he interacted with. The person who most directly caused him to murder was the victim. You're not going to be able to look at some abstract generality like "society" and come to some conclusion about why a specific murder happened. It makes just as much sense to blame "biology" for the crime.
        emodendroket 8y ago
        It is an almost willfully blind perspective to pretend like societal mores, practices, beliefs, hell even language, don't exist or are irrelevant. People aren't formed in a vacuum.
CiPHPerCoder 8y ago
I have no idea where you got that interpretation from my comment. The person who committed the murder is clearly not mentally healthy. What about this observation puts any amount of blame on the victim? This murder is sad, and a tragedy for anyone connected to either party.
- lightbyte 8y ago
  The person you are replying to was referring to the murder victim. Since you didn't specify a subject >They don't forget, they just don't care. >A lot of people completely lack empathy, and our society hasn't done a good job at reducing that number. Appears to also be referring to the victim. Are you actually talking about the killer here? If so you should specify that.
  - CiPHPerCoder 8y ago
    I was specifically talking about the killer, and I was assuming OP was responding to the headline and making a general statement about Internet trolls. I still don't see how that was confusing, but to anybody who needed a clarification: There you go.

No it's about understanding the reasons why this happened. To me, they are both victims and this wouldn't happen in a sane society. I'm looking at society and being happy I will only be here 40 more years. Because I'm not optimistic about the future. Humans are being led down the path of self destruction.

iooi 8y ago
Goddamn, someone was murdered and you really think the murderer is a victim because he was called dumb on the internet?
- some_account 8y ago
  Yeah they are both victims. It's not a natural behavior of humans to act like this.
  - CiPHPerCoder 8y ago
    There was clearly one murder victim involved in this story, and that's a far more significant crime than "trolling people" or "trolling trolls who troll people".
    - some_account 8y ago
      Of course the killer has committed the worst crime, no doubt about that. But I think we are being conditioned into extremely fast blame games sometimes. These things wouldn't happen in a more evolved society. When is society to blame?
      - SamReidHughes 8y ago
        There's no such thing as society. The world's just a bunch of people.
        emodendroket 8y ago
        There's no such thing as a person. Organic matter's just a bunch of atoms.
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        Actually if you're looking for something to blame, people are it. There isn't a society to blame. That's an abstract concept only useful if you want to sabotage your ability to think about stuff.
        emodendroket 8y ago
        No, you can't think about social dynamics by merely considering people as atoms in a vacuum. Well, you can, but your suppositions will have an attenuated relationship to reality.
        SamReidHughes 8y ago
        The only part of "society" that the guy interacted with were people he interacted with. The person who most directly caused him to murder was the victim. You're not going to be able to look at some abstract generality like "society" and come to some conclusion about why a specific murder happened. It makes just as much sense to blame "biology" for the crime.
        emodendroket 8y ago
        It is an almost willfully blind perspective to pretend like societal mores, practices, beliefs, hell even language, don't exist or are irrelevant. People aren't formed in a vacuum.

CiPHPerCoder 8y ago

I have no idea where you got that interpretation from my comment. The person who committed the murder is clearly not mentally healthy. What about this observation puts any amount of blame on the victim? This murder is sad, and a tragedy for anyone connected to either party.

lightbyte 8y ago
The person you are replying to was referring to the murder victim. Since you didn't specify a subject >They don't forget, they just don't care. >A lot of people completely lack empathy, and our society hasn't done a good job at reducing that number. Appears to also be referring to the victim. Are you actually talking about the killer here? If so you should specify that.
- CiPHPerCoder 8y ago
  I was specifically talking about the killer, and I was assuming OP was responding to the headline and making a general statement about Internet trolls. I still don't see how that was confusing, but to anybody who needed a clarification: There you go.