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> Your comment is completely disconnected from reality. If you look hard enough, you’d probably be able to find a couple of minor examples to point at, but into
by throwawayjava 8y ago
> Your comment is completely disconnected from reality. If you look hard enough, you’d probably be able to find a couple of minor examples to point at, but intolerance and suppression of speech has become mainstream liberal politics.
There was a recent CATO study on exactly this question [1].
Nearly 2/3rds of Republican-identifying respondents believe NFL players should be fired if they don't stand for the pledge.
Over half of the Republican-identifying respondents believe that burning flags should be illegal, that an executive should be fired for flag burning, and also that flag burner's citizenship should be revoked.
None of this is particularly surprising! You expect to find that many Republicans oppose flag burning.
However, you don't expect to hear that Democrats support rolling back free speech protections. The data support this shift toward illiberalism on the left. And you even point out that this shift happened in your original post!
The rise of illiberalism on the left is concerning, but again, nowhere have I claimed that the American left is a bastion of free speech warriors.
My claim is that we do commonly see conservatives going after people for expressing themselves.
And the empirical data demonstrate it's not just "a small minority" of conservatives who feel that's justified. It's a majority. Sometimes a very large one.
So. If you want to complain about illiberal leftists, I'll nod along all day. And you'll notice that this claim was not the portion of your post I took issue with, because I don't disagree. I took issue with your claim that:
> you don’t see conservatives going around trying to “no platform” people
because they do, and the data very clearly indicates that the majority of Republicans believe it's justified.
And, once again, to be very clear, there is no implied assertion anywhere that leftists do not do the same thing.
> I think you must live in a pretty opaque bubble.
Either I'm not the one in a bubble or else someone should tell CATO their methodology is flawed ;-)
[1] https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/survey-reports/pdf/the-state-of-free-speech-and-tolerance.pdf https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/survey-reports/...
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