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The one thing they would have to add to get me to change is adding an option to cycle. Living in a city with reasonable bike facilities makes it particularly gr

The one thing they would have to add to get me to change is adding an option to cycle. Living in a city with reasonable bike facilities makes it particularly grating that the default is suggesting that I want to drive everywhere. I know it’s US focused and you guys are car centric but come on, it’s been years!

ebikelaw 8y ago
I think bicycling directions might be the hardest thing. Google has it but it's pretty bad. It often tries to send me up routes that are shorter but MUCH too steep [1], or up an off-road trail on which bicycles are forbidden [2]. They should combine their data with Strava global heatmap to work out which routes are actually used by practicing cyclists. You can see from Strava[3] that all three of the routes in [1] are ignored by all cyclists, who choose another route that isn't presented. The routes given by Google are very difficult for even strong athletes to climb. Anyway, it's possible that Apple sees it as just beyond their capabilities at this time. 1: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.8505318,-122.2224643/37.8678409,-122.2163599/@37.8569854,-122.2294845,14.81z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e1 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.8505318,-122.2224643/37.8... 2: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Canyon,+CA/Oakland,+California/@37.8296521,-122.2381077,13.78z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x808f87ef9ccad4e9:0x41abd803a47fdf7d!2m2!1d-122.1658805!2d37.8306731!1m5!1m1!1s0x80857d8b28aaed03:0x71b415d535759367!2m2!1d-122.2711137!2d37.8043637!3e1 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Canyon,+CA/Oakland,+Californ... 3: https://www.strava.com/heatmap#14.73/-122.22836/37.85920/hot/all https://www.strava.com/heatmap#14.73/-122.22836/37.85920/hot...
- Doctor_Fegg 8y ago
  o/ I do bike directions based on OSM data: https://cycle.travel/map https://cycle.travel/map
  - ebikelaw 8y ago
    Interesting. Your routes are much worse :-/ From downtown Berkeley to Grizzly Peak it routes me up Marin Avenue, a 30-degree slope that nobody would willingly bicycle up.
    - Doctor_Fegg 8y ago
      Elevation is a difficult one to get right. I'll look into it - out of interest, which way would you go?
      - ebikelaw 8y ago
        Euclid to Grizzly Peak is canon. You can see it clearly on the Strava heatmap.

ebikelaw 8y ago

I think bicycling directions might be the hardest thing. Google has it but it's pretty bad. It often tries to send me up routes that are shorter but MUCH too steep [1], or up an off-road trail on which bicycles are forbidden [2]. They should combine their data with Strava global heatmap to work out which routes are actually used by practicing cyclists. You can see from Strava[3] that all three of the routes in [1] are ignored by all cyclists, who choose another route that isn't presented. The routes given by Google are very difficult for even strong athletes to climb. Anyway, it's possible that Apple sees it as just beyond their capabilities at this time. 1: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.8505318,-122.2224643/37.8678409,-122.2163599/@37.8569854,-122.2294845,14.81z/data=!4m2!4m1!3e1 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/37.8505318,-122.2224643/37.8... 2: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Canyon,+CA/Oakland,+California/@37.8296521,-122.2381077,13.78z/data=!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x808f87ef9ccad4e9:0x41abd803a47fdf7d!2m2!1d-122.1658805!2d37.8306731!1m5!1m1!1s0x80857d8b28aaed03:0x71b415d535759367!2m2!1d-122.2711137!2d37.8043637!3e1 https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Canyon,+CA/Oakland,+Californ... 3: https://www.strava.com/heatmap#14.73/-122.22836/37.85920/hot/all https://www.strava.com/heatmap#14.73/-122.22836/37.85920/hot...

Doctor_Fegg 8y ago
o/ I do bike directions based on OSM data: https://cycle.travel/map https://cycle.travel/map
- ebikelaw 8y ago
  Interesting. Your routes are much worse :-/ From downtown Berkeley to Grizzly Peak it routes me up Marin Avenue, a 30-degree slope that nobody would willingly bicycle up.
  - Doctor_Fegg 8y ago
    Elevation is a difficult one to get right. I'll look into it - out of interest, which way would you go?
    - ebikelaw 8y ago
      Euclid to Grizzly Peak is canon. You can see it clearly on the Strava heatmap.