PHP in the U.S., especially in the startup world, is seen as "oh, you develop in third world countries". That's the perception these days unfortunately. That s

PHP in the U.S., especially in the startup world, is seen as "oh, you develop in third world countries". That's the perception these days unfortunately. That said, I was an avid PHP developer in the U.S. about 10-15 years ago and I always liked the language. There's just no one learning PHP anymore since all the kids just learn js, and no one trying out "hipster" languages like ruby/crystal/go/python/elixr/d/nim/rust/etc is going to try crusty old PHP. I will say though that PHP, without any frameworks, is probably my favorite thing to develop a simple standalone site specifically because it lets you break all conventions and just output some damn content possibly with some simple logic involved and without using classes/mvc/etc.