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I've been a proponent of this idea: Make companies "super-liable" for any data beyond the data they (actually) need for the functioning of the service that is

by mtgx 8y ago

I've been a proponent of this idea: Make companies "super-liable" for any data beyond the data they (actually) need for the functioning of the service that is stolen in a data breach from their servers. This would hopefully not just encourage more companies to believe that data is "toxic" [1] and treat it as a liability, not as an asset, but it would also encourage them to adopt end-to-end encryption in as many types of services as possible (and eventually stuff like homomorphic encryption or any form of encryption that doesn't give the company itself and hackers direct access to the data). [1] - https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/03/data_is_a_toxic.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2016/03/data_is_a_tox...

18pfsmt 8y ago
The data in this case is their only asset. They are a data broker, and their entire existence is predicated on the idea that this data is valuable to them. I think we need to teach people that their data is valuable, likely dangerous in the hands of others, and not to spew it all over the web. Kinda like we did before FB convinced everybody to use their real names.
- grasshopperpurp 8y ago
  >The data in this case is their only asset. They are a data broker, and their entire existence is predicated on the idea that this data is valuable to them. Other than them, who cares? If you want to put people in harm's way, you should accept the consequences when harm occurs. >I think we need to teach people that their data is valuable, likely dangerous in the hands of others, and not to spew it all over the web. Kinda like we did before FB convinced everybody to use their real names. No, it's much easier to hold the companies accountable, and they should be held accountable. No company that suffers a "data breach" should have the resources to exist after the breach. Society should punish them out of existence, because they are known cancers.
astura 8y ago
Considering that their entire business model is "selling this data" then this data is actually needed for the functioning of the service.
- jonafato 8y ago
  I don't know that this invalidates mtgx's general point. Right now, data brokers have effectively zero liability, but we don't treat other companies dealing with dangerous or toxic materials the same way. If a company handling money or munitions left their doors wide open, we wouldn't defend their gross negligence, we'd hold them accountable.

by mtgx 8y ago

18pfsmt 8y ago

The data in this case is their only asset. They are a data broker, and their entire existence is predicated on the idea that this data is valuable to them. I think we need to teach people that their data is valuable, likely dangerous in the hands of others, and not to spew it all over the web. Kinda like we did before FB convinced everybody to use their real names.

grasshopperpurp 8y ago
>The data in this case is their only asset. They are a data broker, and their entire existence is predicated on the idea that this data is valuable to them. Other than them, who cares? If you want to put people in harm's way, you should accept the consequences when harm occurs. >I think we need to teach people that their data is valuable, likely dangerous in the hands of others, and not to spew it all over the web. Kinda like we did before FB convinced everybody to use their real names. No, it's much easier to hold the companies accountable, and they should be held accountable. No company that suffers a "data breach" should have the resources to exist after the breach. Society should punish them out of existence, because they are known cancers.

astura 8y ago

Considering that their entire business model is "selling this data" then this data is actually needed for the functioning of the service.

jonafato 8y ago
I don't know that this invalidates mtgx's general point. Right now, data brokers have effectively zero liability, but we don't treat other companies dealing with dangerous or toxic materials the same way. If a company handling money or munitions left their doors wide open, we wouldn't defend their gross negligence, we'd hold them accountable.