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The Songs of Distant Earth by Arthur C Clarke makes it a large plot point that any vessel traveling through the stars would need some kind of "windshield" as me

The Songs of Distant Earth by Arthur C Clarke makes it a large plot point that any vessel traveling through the stars would need some kind of "windshield" as mentioned in the article. His idea for implementing it seems as good as any to my layman imagination!

jdwithit 8y ago
This is also the function of the "deflector" on ships in Star Trek. The idea being that when you're traveling that fast, even the tiniest debris will ruin your day, so you need something to push it out of the way.
- krapp 8y ago
  Interestingly, this would apparently be a problem with Alcubierre drives from what I've read. The bubbles of spacetime around a ship would wind up "collecting" stray particles as it travels, then releasing them in a massive energetic burst when the bubble popped, probably annihilating anything in its path. I've sort of decided one of the possible solutions for gamma ray bursts is just starships exiting to realspace.
  - jacobush 8y ago
    Could be a feature, depending on circumstances. :-) What would happen to radio transmissions from an Alcubierre drive fitted space ship while in transit?
    - krapp 8y ago
      >What would happen to radio transmissions from an Alcubierre drive fitted space ship while in transit? I'm not an expert on the physics involved, but I imagine they would probably just get reflected back as Hawking radiation or something. The point of the bubble is to separate an object entirely from our own universe, because while there is a limit to information travelling at the speed of light, and relativity makes it impossible for an object with mass to approach lightspeed, there are no such limitations on spacetime moving through spacetime. If anything can cross the threshold and get into or out of the bubble in transit, then there is some degree of quantum entanglement and information transfer and it still counts as a "thing" in our universe, so I would assume the trick only works if the bubble is essentially a black box. speculatory edit: this also seems to suggest that a ship in an Alcubierre bubble would be blind and unable to actually steer. I don't know if the bubble itself would decay (possible due to collisions with interstellar matter or some inherent instability) or would have to be collapsed from the outside. If the latter, then you need an existing infrastructure of stargate-like things already in place (either moved by conventional means or constructed) and just have to hope they're working and where you're aiming when you set off. There might be models that overcome these issues, I don't know. If it turns out that Alcubierre drives are the only viable means of FTL, then one possible solution to the Fermi Paradox might lie in the complications inherent to using them - the civilizations that survive tend to be the ones that don't progress beyond simple rockets and radio telescopes, and FTL civilizations are still limited to expansion at below relativistic speeds, and even then the inherent complexity and risk means FTL travel isn't likely to be common.
      - naravara 8y ago
        >this also seems to suggest that a ship in an Alcubierre bubble would be blind and unable to actually steer. I don't know if the bubble itself would decay (possible due to collisions with interstellar matter or some inherent instability) or would have to be collapsed from the outside. If the latter, then you need an existing infrastructure of stargate-like things already in place (either moved by conventional means or constructed) and just have to hope they're working and where you're aiming when you set off. I'm not sure even having stargates/mass relays would be enough if the bit about collected stray particles turning into omni-directional death-rays upon exiting the bubble is true. You'd need to somehow actually carve a clear path in space-time between any two points. Alternatively, you might be able to create some sort of limiter and only do "short" hops that limit how much energy gets ejected upon exiting. If you're building up energy inside the bubble though, wouldn't it be putting some kind of strain or pressure on whatever has to maintain the bubble? Seems like that alone would create an upper limit on how much you can "charge" it up.
        krapp 8y ago
        If I were writing this for a fictional setting, I would probably say that the bubbles act a bit like black holes, and decay over time. So the field's durability (and relative speed) is a function of the power used to create the field and apply the initial impulse to it. And since heat and radiation may be factors inside the field, available shielding might also be a limiting factor. And then I would solve the particle problem by saying the field somehow converts real particles into virtual particles and then put bars on my windows to protect against the bricks thrown by physicists ;)
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okreallywtf 8y ago
This is one of my favorite Arthur C Clark books. What makes his books so interesting is that the technology aspects are very much sidelined by the human aspects. I don't think it appeals as much to people who enjoy hard sci-fi with a lot of jargon but I've always loved how interesting technological ideas are almost used offhandedly as plot devices but the real story is always the people (even if his concepts for the technology are groundbreaking to the reader or to the field at large).
jsilence 8y ago
they could also use a large dish to funnel it to the mothball drive reactor. the whole thing would be self lubricating.
ta456455677 8y ago
Alastair Reynolds had his Lighthuggers (close to C capable interstellar ships) sheathed in a big shell of diamond I think (and cancerous machine growths in one case), which would be a cool sight.

jdwithit 8y ago

This is also the function of the "deflector" on ships in Star Trek. The idea being that when you're traveling that fast, even the tiniest debris will ruin your day, so you need something to push it out of the way.

krapp 8y ago
Interestingly, this would apparently be a problem with Alcubierre drives from what I've read. The bubbles of spacetime around a ship would wind up "collecting" stray particles as it travels, then releasing them in a massive energetic burst when the bubble popped, probably annihilating anything in its path. I've sort of decided one of the possible solutions for gamma ray bursts is just starships exiting to realspace.
- jacobush 8y ago
  Could be a feature, depending on circumstances. :-) What would happen to radio transmissions from an Alcubierre drive fitted space ship while in transit?
  - krapp 8y ago
    >What would happen to radio transmissions from an Alcubierre drive fitted space ship while in transit? I'm not an expert on the physics involved, but I imagine they would probably just get reflected back as Hawking radiation or something. The point of the bubble is to separate an object entirely from our own universe, because while there is a limit to information travelling at the speed of light, and relativity makes it impossible for an object with mass to approach lightspeed, there are no such limitations on spacetime moving through spacetime. If anything can cross the threshold and get into or out of the bubble in transit, then there is some degree of quantum entanglement and information transfer and it still counts as a "thing" in our universe, so I would assume the trick only works if the bubble is essentially a black box. speculatory edit: this also seems to suggest that a ship in an Alcubierre bubble would be blind and unable to actually steer. I don't know if the bubble itself would decay (possible due to collisions with interstellar matter or some inherent instability) or would have to be collapsed from the outside. If the latter, then you need an existing infrastructure of stargate-like things already in place (either moved by conventional means or constructed) and just have to hope they're working and where you're aiming when you set off. There might be models that overcome these issues, I don't know. If it turns out that Alcubierre drives are the only viable means of FTL, then one possible solution to the Fermi Paradox might lie in the complications inherent to using them - the civilizations that survive tend to be the ones that don't progress beyond simple rockets and radio telescopes, and FTL civilizations are still limited to expansion at below relativistic speeds, and even then the inherent complexity and risk means FTL travel isn't likely to be common.
    - naravara 8y ago
      >this also seems to suggest that a ship in an Alcubierre bubble would be blind and unable to actually steer. I don't know if the bubble itself would decay (possible due to collisions with interstellar matter or some inherent instability) or would have to be collapsed from the outside. If the latter, then you need an existing infrastructure of stargate-like things already in place (either moved by conventional means or constructed) and just have to hope they're working and where you're aiming when you set off. I'm not sure even having stargates/mass relays would be enough if the bit about collected stray particles turning into omni-directional death-rays upon exiting the bubble is true. You'd need to somehow actually carve a clear path in space-time between any two points. Alternatively, you might be able to create some sort of limiter and only do "short" hops that limit how much energy gets ejected upon exiting. If you're building up energy inside the bubble though, wouldn't it be putting some kind of strain or pressure on whatever has to maintain the bubble? Seems like that alone would create an upper limit on how much you can "charge" it up.
      - krapp 8y ago
        If I were writing this for a fictional setting, I would probably say that the bubbles act a bit like black holes, and decay over time. So the field's durability (and relative speed) is a function of the power used to create the field and apply the initial impulse to it. And since heat and radiation may be factors inside the field, available shielding might also be a limiting factor. And then I would solve the particle problem by saying the field somehow converts real particles into virtual particles and then put bars on my windows to protect against the bricks thrown by physicists ;)
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okreallywtf 8y ago

This is one of my favorite Arthur C Clark books. What makes his books so interesting is that the technology aspects are very much sidelined by the human aspects. I don't think it appeals as much to people who enjoy hard sci-fi with a lot of jargon but I've always loved how interesting technological ideas are almost used offhandedly as plot devices but the real story is always the people (even if his concepts for the technology are groundbreaking to the reader or to the field at large).

jsilence 8y ago

they could also use a large dish to funnel it to the mothball drive reactor. the whole thing would be self lubricating.

ta456455677 8y ago

Alastair Reynolds had his Lighthuggers (close to C capable interstellar ships) sheathed in a big shell of diamond I think (and cancerous machine growths in one case), which would be a cool sight.