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> You can be super emphatic an right wing, how do you think someone becomes a populist nationalist. At the bottom? Fear of the other; in the United States, fea
by eropple 8y ago
> You can be super emphatic an right wing, how do you think someone becomes a populist nationalist.
At the bottom? Fear of the other; in the United States, fear of the other rooted particularly in racism. Because it's not "nationalism" here--a disease by itself, but a controllable one. It's white supremacism, given nicer clothes by calling it "white nationalism" for some godforsaken reason, peddled by leaders who want the bottom to vote their way. It's not like it's news. Lee Atwater pegged this whole disgraceful thing decades ago. To legitimize and get boots on the ground for economically regressive policies, the right wing of the United States leveraged this racially-motivated insecurity; now the racist tiger has eaten them and they are so very surprised that the racist tiger was racist all along.
At the top? They're the ones doing the peddling. Some is surely true-believer racism. Some is also surely cynicism--because the bottom will eat it up and there's your leash to drag them where you want. It isn't exactly complex.
(And, no, Obama and Clinton are not "ultra right" from a European perspective; that's the sort of mendacious both-sidesing I expect out of actually far right speakers, though. Obama and Clinton would be generically center- to center-right politicians on a Europe-calibrated axis. The modern Republican Party is more like Ukip.)
- hueving 8y agoNationalism and white supremacism are not the same thing at all. Equating them and needlessly injecting race into it is bog standard Russian divisive propaganda.
- eropple 8y agoIn America, they are. Both are historical and current disasters; the icing on the cake of American white supremacism fueling American nationalism is extra gross, though. I do want to compliment you for the rhetorical twirl of trying to co-opt reality with the Russian specter, though. It's bold. Projecting...but very bold.
- hueving 8y agoPlease try to rephrase that by actually saying something. I'm genuinely curious why you think that absurd equality is so obvious it requires no evidence.
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- throwaway724b 8y agoThere's nothing wrong with nationalism, or wanting to live on the same plot of land with people of your own race. The word nation is rooted in birth, stock, tribe, race. And there's nothing inherently wrong with White nationalism either. Or Jewish nationalism. Or German nationalism. Or Japanese, Indian, or African nationalism. Each nation has spilled much blood for its territory, and each race has a right to defend its existence and secure a future for its children. Alas, the experiment of multiculturalism in the U.S. and Europe has been a complete disaster. It has led to increasingly divided, low trust, and hateful societies. There were some good intentions behind multiculturalism, but there were also destructive intentions. The multiculturalists, the globalists, the corporate elite, the international communists -- whatever you want to call them -- have very good reasons for wanting to destroy racial, national, cultural, familial identities. They want atomized individuals, rootless, without a history and without a real identity, because atomized individuals do not have strong enough bonds with a people to resist being subjugated and controlled. Multiculturalism is a religion which preaches "diversity is our strength", but practices the destruction of diversity, of nationality, of race, of family. Those at the top have an agenda to consolidate power over a homogenized people who are easy to rule. At the bottom are the "educated" postmodern zealots who believe everyone is equal, everything is relative, and nothing is real. It's bullshit and now people know it, too.