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Post an article in r/politics about anything positive Trump has done and you'll get a ban. On Facebook, a similar phenomenon might occur due to liberal users re

Post an article in r/politics about anything positive Trump has done and you'll get a ban. On Facebook, a similar phenomenon might occur due to liberal users reporting conservative ideas they don't agree with as hate speech. Disclaimer: I'm not very familiar with how Facebook works so I could be way off

ebikelaw 8y ago
Being banned by a user-moderated forum is not equivalent to being censored by a social media platform.
ceejayoz 8y ago
> Post an article in r/politics about anything positive Trump has done and you'll get a ban. That's no more "censorship" than me unfriending you on Facebook would be. > On Facebook, a similar phenomenon might occur due to liberal users reporting conservative ideas they don't agree with as hate speech. That'll put it in a review queue, upon which Facebook employees make a decision. If it gets deleted, it's because you violated Facebook's rules.
- frockington 8y ago
  If it is an actual Facebook employee, I can definitely see why conservatives would think that. The active encouragement of civil disobedience by liberal leaders is probably more than enough confirmation to conservatives of this behavior. I;m not saying this behavior is /is notoccurring, just why some people might think that it does
  - ceejayoz 8y ago
    > If it is an actual Facebook employee, I can definitely see why conservatives would think that. It's more complicated than that, though. It takes more than just a report to get someone's content deleted. Take a look at the examples from their moderator training: https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-hate-speech-censorship-internal-documents-algorithms https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-hate-speech-cens... See, for example, the slide about "female drivers", "black children", and "white men" - Facebook's policies (via some pretty odd logic, IMO) protect posts about "white men", but not "black children". A liberal bastion, they're not. > One document trains content reviewers on how to apply the company’s global hate speech algorithm. The slide identifies three groups: female drivers, black children and white men. It asks: Which group is protected from hate speech? The correct answer: white men. > The reason is that Facebook deletes curses, slurs, calls for violence and several other types of attacks only when they are directed at “protected categories”—based on race, sex, gender identity, religious affiliation, national origin, ethnicity, sexual orientation and serious disability/disease. It gives users broader latitude when they write about “subsets” of protected categories. White men are considered a group because both traits are protected, while female drivers and black children, like radicalized Muslims, are subsets, because one of their characteristics is not protected. (The exact rules are in the slide show below.)
    - codetrotter 8y ago
      I don’t like Facebook and I rarely use it anymore but this set of examples seems a bit contrived I think. Would it not be the same the other way around because of the subset rule? Black women would be protected whereas male drivers and white children would not?
      - s73v3r_ 8y ago
        In practice, no.
kevinh 8y ago
> Post an article in r/politics about anything positive Trump has done and you'll get a ban. Do you have any proof of that claim?

ebikelaw 8y ago

Being banned by a user-moderated forum is not equivalent to being censored by a social media platform.

ceejayoz 8y ago

> Post an article in r/politics about anything positive Trump has done and you'll get a ban. That's no more "censorship" than me unfriending you on Facebook would be. > On Facebook, a similar phenomenon might occur due to liberal users reporting conservative ideas they don't agree with as hate speech. That'll put it in a review queue, upon which Facebook employees make a decision. If it gets deleted, it's because you violated Facebook's rules.

frockington 8y ago
If it is an actual Facebook employee, I can definitely see why conservatives would think that. The active encouragement of civil disobedience by liberal leaders is probably more than enough confirmation to conservatives of this behavior. I;m not saying this behavior is /is notoccurring, just why some people might think that it does
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  > If it is an actual Facebook employee, I can definitely see why conservatives would think that. It's more complicated than that, though. It takes more than just a report to get someone's content deleted. Take a look at the examples from their moderator training: https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-hate-speech-censorship-internal-documents-algorithms https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-hate-speech-cens... See, for example, the slide about "female drivers", "black children", and "white men" - Facebook's policies (via some pretty odd logic, IMO) protect posts about "white men", but not "black children". A liberal bastion, they're not. > One document trains content reviewers on how to apply the company’s global hate speech algorithm. The slide identifies three groups: female drivers, black children and white men. It asks: Which group is protected from hate speech? The correct answer: white men. > The reason is that Facebook deletes curses, slurs, calls for violence and several other types of attacks only when they are directed at “protected categories”—based on race, sex, gender identity, religious affiliation, national origin, ethnicity, sexual orientation and serious disability/disease. It gives users broader latitude when they write about “subsets” of protected categories. White men are considered a group because both traits are protected, while female drivers and black children, like radicalized Muslims, are subsets, because one of their characteristics is not protected. (The exact rules are in the slide show below.)
  - codetrotter 8y ago
    I don’t like Facebook and I rarely use it anymore but this set of examples seems a bit contrived I think. Would it not be the same the other way around because of the subset rule? Black women would be protected whereas male drivers and white children would not?
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      In practice, no.

kevinh 8y ago

> Post an article in r/politics about anything positive Trump has done and you'll get a ban. Do you have any proof of that claim?