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This is also likely to impact web-services internationally in cases where you need a license to be viewed from China even if you are hosted internationally. Thi

This is also likely to impact web-services internationally in cases where you need a license to be viewed from China even if you are hosted internationally. This happens in the case of some content delivery networks and related software that are specifically targeted.Alternatively, they can throttle your access. Add social credit to that and you have a tool that makes GDPR look positively benign.

geoalchimista 8y ago
> This is also likely to impact web-services internationally in cases where you need a license to be viewed from China even if you are hosted internationally. I'm afraid you are being optimistic. They do things way worse than that. The Great Firewall can block your website for no reason [1]. By 'block' I mean completely blocked, even if you use OpenVPN, GFW can detect its packet and still block it. Back in 2016 there was a time that even GitHub was blocked. And bandwidth throttling has been in place as early as 2014 for websites that are not completely blocked by GFW. Now the so-called "social credit system" is basically the Skynet or Matrix. If the US and other western democracies don't stand up to this kind of lunacy and bullying, then nothing would be able to stop China. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Websites_blocked_in_mainland_C...
- rmbeard 8y ago
  Yes, I know. there are ways around it though, even without VPN. What I was referring to was PRC pressuring foreign companies via the internet license mechanism, basically they have used targeted bandwidth throttling of foreign companies/technology that have not purchased PRC internet licenses. If you buy the license they don't throttle you. They have also been centralising internet routing regionally to speed things up. Basically, you have a two-speed internet. It's similar to what would likely happen if net neutrality were scrapped in the US. Social credit could lso be applied globally, even to nation states if they so chose. Couple it to the internet license and they have a powerful too that reaches far beyond their geographical territory.

geoalchimista 8y ago

> This is also likely to impact web-services internationally in cases where you need a license to be viewed from China even if you are hosted internationally. I'm afraid you are being optimistic. They do things way worse than that. The Great Firewall can block your website for no reason [1]. By 'block' I mean completely blocked, even if you use OpenVPN, GFW can detect its packet and still block it. Back in 2016 there was a time that even GitHub was blocked. And bandwidth throttling has been in place as early as 2014 for websites that are not completely blocked by GFW. Now the so-called "social credit system" is basically the Skynet or Matrix. If the US and other western democracies don't stand up to this kind of lunacy and bullying, then nothing would be able to stop China. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Websites_blocked_in_mainland_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Websites_blocked_in_mainland_C...

rmbeard 8y ago
Yes, I know. there are ways around it though, even without VPN. What I was referring to was PRC pressuring foreign companies via the internet license mechanism, basically they have used targeted bandwidth throttling of foreign companies/technology that have not purchased PRC internet licenses. If you buy the license they don't throttle you. They have also been centralising internet routing regionally to speed things up. Basically, you have a two-speed internet. It's similar to what would likely happen if net neutrality were scrapped in the US. Social credit could lso be applied globally, even to nation states if they so chose. Couple it to the internet license and they have a powerful too that reaches far beyond their geographical territory.