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That is pretty horrible that so many companies from outside can be pressured to behave outside of china, like changing how they describe Taiwan. But that's sepa
by Latteland 8y ago
That is pretty horrible that so many companies from outside can be pressured to behave outside of china, like changing how they describe Taiwan. But that's separate from social credit, and that's not new.
- elipsey 8y agoArticle states that social credit scores are kept for foreign firms: "[...] the violation was also recorded on the social credit system’s National Enterprise Credit Information Publicity System."
- ShabbosGoy 8y agoSo? They can just choose to do business elsewhere. China should completely open up their markets, because they seem to prescribe that to everyone else except themselves. We should follow them in kind.
- simonh 8y agoNo they can't. If you're a global company like an airline, you can't just choose to make more profits somewhere else instead of making them in China. Giving up a big chunk of international markets can be the difference between being able to compete with rivals, and not being able to and hence and going bust. Really.
- partycoder 8y agoThat is how diplomacy works. Diplomatic negotiations can involve even the most absurd of things. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panda_diplomacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panda_diplomacy
- Iv 8y agoAgreed. The current system is just giving an explicit score to something that was tallied implicitly so far. I feel it repulsive that states would score citizens' social score but I don't mind them doing it for companies.
- simonh 8y agoThey're also doing it for news agencies, charities and other NGOs. These organisations including companies are made up of people, and if we care about the free speech of people, we should care about this.
- King-Aaron 8y ago> That is pretty horrible that so many companies from outside can be pressured to behave outside of china, like changing how they describe Taiwan. Try this on for size then. Cliff notes: school kids have their designs on a fake cow painted over, as not to offend the Chinese beef industry... http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-09/childrens-cow-statue-design-altered-taiwan-flag-painted-over-qld/9739574 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-09/childrens-cow-statue-d...
- guitarbill 8y agoNot the first time either, e.g. lecturers getting in trouble for calling Taiwan a country: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-41104634 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-41104634 This is not likely to change, universities make too much money off foreign students. Australia is maybe in a more precarious position simply because of their geographic location and the resulting trade partners. (That isn't to say Australia is the only place this pressure is felt though.)
- true_religion 8y agoI thought Taiwan believed themselves to be China. As the govt. in exile.
- tivert 8y ago> I thought Taiwan believed themselves to be China. As the govt. in exile. Some of them do, and I believe that's still the official position (so as to not anger the PRC), but they've been politically separate for so long that many Taiwanese believe they are a separate nation and have little desire for future political integration with the mainland [1]. IIRC, the current Taiwanese president is from a pro-independence [2]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_independence_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_independence_movement [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsai_Ing-wen#Cross-strait_relations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsai_Ing-wen#Cross-strait_rela...