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Apple, please put back in full size up and down arrow keys

pqdbr 8y ago
My God, this, 1000x times this. I've owned a Macbook Pro 2017 for 6 months now and still manage to get a miss 40% of the time. It's maddening.
- matheussampaio 8y ago
  I've been using mine daily (more than 6h per day), for 10 months, and I still miss most of the times!
el_benhameen 8y ago
My god, yes. My hit rate on the half height up/down keys can’t be better than 30%
sgillen 8y ago
Interesting, I actually like the half arrow key thing, I often use the arrow key with my pinkie, makes it easy to switch between up and down. To each their own I guess.
blahblahblogger 8y ago
Oh yes, I'm happy to see others mentioning the half size up and down. Even after a year with this keyboard this still trips me up.
sorahn 8y ago
It’s not so much the half keys that makes it obnoxious, but having the left and right keys be full height, and not having a gap to orient my fingers in the keys means I’m often pressing “shift” with my middle finger thinking it’s “up”.
bluthru 8y ago
I never use the right shift anyway. (It's farther away than the left shift.)
kylec 8y ago
Put back? They've never had full sized up and down arrow keys on the MacBooks. What I miss are the half-sized left and right keys - the empty space above them made it easy to position my hand over the arrow keys without looking.
- tedmiston 8y ago
  I'm with you here — no generation of MB/MBP has ever had full-sized up/down arrow keys [1][2]. I guess perhaps people are meaning how the left/right arrow keys went from being half-sized to full-sized? I'd like to half my half-sized left/right back... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook
- hsienmaneja 8y ago
  Good point, just took a look at the picture of a 2014 mbp which I had previously. Something about the older up/down arrows was much better, and I can’t put my finger on it (literally, since I do not have the 2014 anymore).
fezz 8y ago
I want an easy way to remap the shift to up and both up/down arrows to down without using some bloated remapping software that doesn't get upgrade. Hey, look at all the extra spaces from this fantastic MBP keyboard. Grr
bashinator 8y ago
I would be fine withh the half height up and down keys if they were between half height left and right keys. For me it’s the lack of tactile feedback telling me where he arrow group is that sucks big-time.
berti 8y ago
I'm curious what you use them for? I've always prefered WASD for directions (too many games in my youth!), and always saw the arrow keys as a waste of space, too far away to use regularly.
- workinthehead 8y ago
  Uh, seriously? Moving cursors around? Some of us use computers for things other than games, child.

My God, this, 1000x times this. I've owned a Macbook Pro 2017 for 6 months now and still manage to get a miss 40% of the time. It's maddening.

matheussampaio 8y ago
I've been using mine daily (more than 6h per day), for 10 months, and I still miss most of the times!

el_benhameen 8y ago

My god, yes. My hit rate on the half height up/down keys can’t be better than 30%

sgillen 8y ago

Interesting, I actually like the half arrow key thing, I often use the arrow key with my pinkie, makes it easy to switch between up and down. To each their own I guess.

blahblahblogger 8y ago

Oh yes, I'm happy to see others mentioning the half size up and down. Even after a year with this keyboard this still trips me up.

sorahn 8y ago

It’s not so much the half keys that makes it obnoxious, but having the left and right keys be full height, and not having a gap to orient my fingers in the keys means I’m often pressing “shift” with my middle finger thinking it’s “up”.

bluthru 8y ago

I never use the right shift anyway. (It's farther away than the left shift.)

kylec 8y ago

Put back? They've never had full sized up and down arrow keys on the MacBooks. What I miss are the half-sized left and right keys - the empty space above them made it easy to position my hand over the arrow keys without looking.

tedmiston 8y ago
I'm with you here — no generation of MB/MBP has ever had full-sized up/down arrow keys [1][2]. I guess perhaps people are meaning how the left/right arrow keys went from being half-sized to full-sized? I'd like to half my half-sized left/right back... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_Pro [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook
hsienmaneja 8y ago
Good point, just took a look at the picture of a 2014 mbp which I had previously. Something about the older up/down arrows was much better, and I can’t put my finger on it (literally, since I do not have the 2014 anymore).

fezz 8y ago

I want an easy way to remap the shift to up and both up/down arrows to down without using some bloated remapping software that doesn't get upgrade. Hey, look at all the extra spaces from this fantastic MBP keyboard. Grr

bashinator 8y ago

I would be fine withh the half height up and down keys if they were between half height left and right keys. For me it’s the lack of tactile feedback telling me where he arrow group is that sucks big-time.

berti 8y ago

I'm curious what you use them for? I've always prefered WASD for directions (too many games in my youth!), and always saw the arrow keys as a waste of space, too far away to use regularly.

workinthehead 8y ago
Uh, seriously? Moving cursors around? Some of us use computers for things other than games, child.