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disclaimer: MS employee, this is solely my opinion Does the GDPR do anything to put your concerns on this issue to rest? (By those regulations, MS is required

disclaimer: MS employee, this is solely my opinion Does the GDPR do anything to put your concerns on this issue to rest? (By those regulations, MS is required, under penalty of very large fines, to not do what you are accusing them of doing.)

tfehring 8y ago
It's my understanding that companies only need to comply with GDPR when providing services to end users in the EU and that companies that comply with GDPR globally are only doing so due to resource constraints that Microsoft doesn't face. However, I'm probably less informed on GDPR than the average HN user, so it's very possible that my understanding is off-base or incomplete.
- PretzelPirate 8y ago
  https://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-extending-gdpr-protections-to-all-global-customers-heres-how/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-extending-gdp...
bcheung 8y ago
I doubt intelligence agencies are limited by the same standards.
andrei_says_ 8y ago
It will, after I see MS getting caught and going through a lawsuit which results in tools providing accountability.
- bradford 8y ago
  MS already lets you see and delete what they collect on you at account.microsoft.com/privacy We did a lot of work to comply and provide these tools and people still think MS is part of some grand conspiracy.
  - arto 8y ago
    Once bitten, twice shy. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Eavesdropping_by_design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Eavesdropping_b...
  - some_account 8y ago
    Why do you expect people to trust corporations at their word? Specially someone like Microsoft!
  - ionised 8y ago
    > We did a lot of work to comply and provide these tools and people still think MS is part of some grand conspiracy. Given Microsoft's history I'm not sure why you're surprised.
slazaro 8y ago
> Does the GDPR do anything to put your concerns on this issue to rest? If the company starts doing things right ONLY after there's some legislation making the wrong thing illegal, what does that tell you about the company?
- mark-r 8y ago
  I think you're misreading the statement - he's implying that what they actually already do is in compliance.

tfehring 8y ago

It's my understanding that companies only need to comply with GDPR when providing services to end users in the EU and that companies that comply with GDPR globally are only doing so due to resource constraints that Microsoft doesn't face. However, I'm probably less informed on GDPR than the average HN user, so it's very possible that my understanding is off-base or incomplete.

PretzelPirate 8y ago
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-extending-gdpr-protections-to-all-global-customers-heres-how/ https://www.techrepublic.com/article/microsoft-extending-gdp...

bcheung 8y ago

I doubt intelligence agencies are limited by the same standards.

andrei_says_ 8y ago

It will, after I see MS getting caught and going through a lawsuit which results in tools providing accountability.

bradford 8y ago
MS already lets you see and delete what they collect on you at account.microsoft.com/privacy We did a lot of work to comply and provide these tools and people still think MS is part of some grand conspiracy.
- arto 8y ago
  Once bitten, twice shy. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Eavesdropping_by_design https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skype_security#Eavesdropping_b...
- some_account 8y ago
  Why do you expect people to trust corporations at their word? Specially someone like Microsoft!
- ionised 8y ago
  > We did a lot of work to comply and provide these tools and people still think MS is part of some grand conspiracy. Given Microsoft's history I'm not sure why you're surprised.

slazaro 8y ago

> Does the GDPR do anything to put your concerns on this issue to rest? If the company starts doing things right ONLY after there's some legislation making the wrong thing illegal, what does that tell you about the company?

mark-r 8y ago
I think you're misreading the statement - he's implying that what they actually already do is in compliance.