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Deepak first let me say I choose to view this community as a group of people who win together, therefore I want you to win, and sincerely wish success for your

Deepak first let me say I choose to view this community as a group of people who win together, therefore I want you to win, and sincerely wish success for your team. Now let’s get to work on your feedback. >>[It’s challenging to get everyone receptive to our new approach] This provides no information. It’s an entrepreneurial truism. Do you think a large percentage of startups visit sand hill road and never get rejected? Even most of the unicorns have their stories. Google, E-Bay (good luck selling barbie dolls), etc. Big caveat though: Listen carefully to every person who rejects you. Yes some comments will be dumb, but in general you’re asking smart people and their comments can often be uniquely invaluable. >>[it's controversial to start a recruiting company charging job seekers instead of hiring companies] Are you sure this is the controversial part? I see no inherent controversy in the concept of applicants being customers, although if you mean there’s limited precedent of success that makes it more difficult to get people’s buy in, that makes sense. It can always can be a problem. It’s also a signal to your team to reflect, and question yourselves regularly on what’s so different about what your doing that hasn’t been tried before? Why will you will be the ones to show it’s possible to disrupt conventional wisdom? Why are you so sure it will ever happen? Don’t answer those, the questions are rhetorical. I know you have your answers. The real point is I’m suggesting you never stop trying to find flaws in those answers. Every flaw you find makes you more powerful because you can harvest them to adapt, fine tune, improve. I’ll try to comment more directly on the model now. I try to keep an open mind on these things, but haven’t heard enough (not that my opinion counts :) here to get on board. Ironically I was in a boat similar to the one you were in coming out of school. Strong ambition to get into the hottest software company in the world, which at the time was Microsoft, even if nowadays a lot of people think of them as about as hot as IBM, or lesser so :). The problem was I also was still too immature to not be lazy and spend all my time with friends, and ended up earning my CS degree from Whatever University, which for some reason was one MS was no too interested in recruiting at. You would think being so irresponsible I didn’t have the chops anyway, but it’s just been my thing forever and ironically I had a lot of projects under my belt already to show people - if they would have ever responded to my emails or resumes - which they never did, despite being clearly marked as from a WU graduate. If I were in finance, doesn’t it sound like a possible customer scenario for you? Assuming it could be, how could someone have lived the scenario, but still not be bought in the applicant customer concept? Because today I believe there are already ways to solve the problems you are trying to sell solutions to (and to my old problem), that are free yet not necessarily any less effective. As one example, a while back I suggested one possible path with specific steps on how to do it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15096335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15096335 It’s important note again, software development and finance are two different things. However I know just a bit about finance from startup experiences, and also from a best friend who’s a VP of finance and whenever we go out won’t stop ranting about it while all I’m trying to do is hang out and enjoy my beer. Do I mention algorithms to him? No, but I’m digressing... The point is as different as the professions are, it seems like there are also a fair amount of parallels w.r.t. getting a job. Therefore I would be concerned that there may be some similar path to my example above that allows a person a chance to show what they’ve got and land a job at a top company, given the right talent and hard work on preparation, and tailoring approaches to specific goals. The Internet itself seems to be a big problem here. It’s just not that hard to contact even executive level folks if you’re willing to put in the time to get to them. Once in a while they even reply to your first LinkedIn request if your intro note happens to interest them. Then again, everything I have said could be wrong and I hope it is, so that things can really take off big. Good luck.

dchhugani 8y ago
hello! firstly, thank you very much for the kind words on wanting to help win + the thoughtful response. - To your points on challenging & controversy: understand it's ambiguous, was trying to be concise. Basically the point is conventional wisdom is that in recruiting, companies pay, job seekers don't. And if you charge job seekers, certain people think you are preying on the vulnerable. We are continually tweaking our message to make sure people understand this is quite the opposite - giving the outsiders an advantage or at least a level playing field. - To your thoughts on the model 1. It sounds like you described a perfect scenario. You were immature, but had projects and other things to show you were qualified. Still people wouldn't answer your emails or interview you. Hindsight is 20.20 and it sounds like today you have a successful job, but maybe it could've come much sooner if you would've landed some of those interviews. What's the price you can put on that? 2. It's easy to say finance, software, and others are fundamentally different industries and that's why one will work better than the other. That's probably true in some ways, but the core insight is the same - the best way to get a job is to figure out what they're looking for and despite what you're saying - that most definitely is not available online. You can google Glassdoor forums and chats, but they become outdated only a few months after, and most of those are not at the specific group or team-level, they're generic. I cannot think of a better way to get timely, accurate, and personalized information than by getting it from a human being who is / recently has been on the inside. can you? I am convinced that your advice is amazing - we have to continually ask ourselves if we're working on the right thing, if we're the team to beat conventional wisdom, etc. The best way I know how to do that is to see the numbers grow and focus on our initial niche before expanding. Thank you!
- WhitneyLand 8y ago
  >What's the price you can put on that? As you might guess, I would have paid anything. I did eventually find a way in but that doesn’t change the point. Let it commence then. Ramp this thing up and make it scale. Do it so well I’ll want to brag about even trying to challenge your ideas. For real man, make it so.
  - dchhugani 8y ago

dchhugani 8y ago

hello! firstly, thank you very much for the kind words on wanting to help win + the thoughtful response. - To your points on challenging & controversy: understand it's ambiguous, was trying to be concise. Basically the point is conventional wisdom is that in recruiting, companies pay, job seekers don't. And if you charge job seekers, certain people think you are preying on the vulnerable. We are continually tweaking our message to make sure people understand this is quite the opposite - giving the outsiders an advantage or at least a level playing field. - To your thoughts on the model 1. It sounds like you described a perfect scenario. You were immature, but had projects and other things to show you were qualified. Still people wouldn't answer your emails or interview you. Hindsight is 20.20 and it sounds like today you have a successful job, but maybe it could've come much sooner if you would've landed some of those interviews. What's the price you can put on that? 2. It's easy to say finance, software, and others are fundamentally different industries and that's why one will work better than the other. That's probably true in some ways, but the core insight is the same - the best way to get a job is to figure out what they're looking for and despite what you're saying - that most definitely is not available online. You can google Glassdoor forums and chats, but they become outdated only a few months after, and most of those are not at the specific group or team-level, they're generic. I cannot think of a better way to get timely, accurate, and personalized information than by getting it from a human being who is / recently has been on the inside. can you? I am convinced that your advice is amazing - we have to continually ask ourselves if we're working on the right thing, if we're the team to beat conventional wisdom, etc. The best way I know how to do that is to see the numbers grow and focus on our initial niche before expanding. Thank you!

WhitneyLand 8y ago
>What's the price you can put on that? As you might guess, I would have paid anything. I did eventually find a way in but that doesn’t change the point. Let it commence then. Ramp this thing up and make it scale. Do it so well I’ll want to brag about even trying to challenge your ideas. For real man, make it so.
- dchhugani 8y ago