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Easiest solution would be a tax on petroleum as it comes out of the ground. That discourages both plastic and greenhouse gas.

by xapata 8y ago

mijamo 8y ago
Now how high would that tax need to be to so that everyday goods would dump plastic? And what would that mean for other uses of petroleum? Let's say you want a plastic bottle to cost 0.1$ more, so that alternative options are considered, and you tax it on the original petroleum and gas processed, what does that represent for the fuel used in a plane? The problem is that not every use is equal, some are more necessary than others and pricing things by a general tax is not a right solution. Many countries are banning plastic plates and bags for instance, because their benefit is nearly 0 and their cost is super high because many people just throw them away randomly. On the other hand airplane fuel is not easily replacable right now, so it should probably be taxed less (but still taxed enough to encourage other alternatives to develop).
- Retric 8y ago
  You don't need to pick and chose good vs bad uses. If their are no alternatives then a small price increase is not a big deal. The most effective policy is one applied evenly that let's the market adjust to externalities. So really oil should be taxed directly, then you tax plastics above and beyond that as needed. But, you never want to apply discounts for some specific use.
- lmm 8y ago
  > Now how high would that tax need to be to so that everyday goods would dump plastic? And what would that mean for other uses of petroleum? Charge what it costs to clean up, and spend the tax on cleaning it up. > The problem is that not every use is equal, some are more necessary than others That's exactly why the price mechanism works - the necessary uses will continue to happen even at a higher price, while the frivolous ones will stop.
hn0 8y ago
It would certainly be good for the planet, but since petroleum is an input early in the production chain, that would cause price inflation, resulting in higher costs and lower demand, e.g. 70’s stagflation. Also black markets and resource contention.
titzer 8y ago
Propose this, and even implement it. Then the first economic downturn, whoosh, out the door. Politicians promising the masses the snake oil of economic booms based on cheap energy, driven by lobbyists from the oil industry. Stop me if you heard this one before, but hey, it's reality.

Easiest solution would be a tax on petroleum as it comes out of the ground. That discourages both plastic and greenhouse gas.

by xapata 8y ago

Easiest solution would be a tax on petroleum as it comes out of the ground. That discourages both plastic and greenhouse gas.

mijamo 8y ago

Now how high would that tax need to be to so that everyday goods would dump plastic? And what would that mean for other uses of petroleum? Let's say you want a plastic bottle to cost 0.1$ more, so that alternative options are considered, and you tax it on the original petroleum and gas processed, what does that represent for the fuel used in a plane? The problem is that not every use is equal, some are more necessary than others and pricing things by a general tax is not a right solution. Many countries are banning plastic plates and bags for instance, because their benefit is nearly 0 and their cost is super high because many people just throw them away randomly. On the other hand airplane fuel is not easily replacable right now, so it should probably be taxed less (but still taxed enough to encourage other alternatives to develop).

Retric 8y ago
You don't need to pick and chose good vs bad uses. If their are no alternatives then a small price increase is not a big deal. The most effective policy is one applied evenly that let's the market adjust to externalities. So really oil should be taxed directly, then you tax plastics above and beyond that as needed. But, you never want to apply discounts for some specific use.
lmm 8y ago
> Now how high would that tax need to be to so that everyday goods would dump plastic? And what would that mean for other uses of petroleum? Charge what it costs to clean up, and spend the tax on cleaning it up. > The problem is that not every use is equal, some are more necessary than others That's exactly why the price mechanism works - the necessary uses will continue to happen even at a higher price, while the frivolous ones will stop.

hn0 8y ago

It would certainly be good for the planet, but since petroleum is an input early in the production chain, that would cause price inflation, resulting in higher costs and lower demand, e.g. 70’s stagflation. Also black markets and resource contention.

titzer 8y ago

Propose this, and even implement it. Then the first economic downturn, whoosh, out the door. Politicians promising the masses the snake oil of economic booms based on cheap energy, driven by lobbyists from the oil industry. Stop me if you heard this one before, but hey, it's reality.