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I agree. I thought Damore's memo was an insane level of workplace inappropriate if just from a topic standpoint, until I heard about the rest of Google's discus

I agree. I thought Damore's memo was an insane level of workplace inappropriate if just from a topic standpoint, until I heard about the rest of Google's discussion culture. It's just begging for horrible conflict that these items are even on the table. It should be possible to conduct yourself professionally and not burn up inside over whether or not someone harbors some ideology that conflicts with one of yours.

stcredzero 8y ago
It should be possible to conduct yourself professionally and not burn up inside over whether or not someone harbors some ideology that conflicts with one of yours. More and more, it's portrayed in the media that people who are so out of control they can't tolerate different opinions are the "genuine" ones. This goes hand in hand with how certain kinds of ad-hominem attack are somehow morally laudable and intellectual worthy activities.
- xapata 8y ago
  I haven't observed the media portrayal you describe. Different channels promote different views, but claiming more "genuine" isn't something I've seen.
  - stcredzero 8y ago
    That scene with Bill O'Reilly yelling, "We'll do it LIVE!" is a prime example. The sort of ad-hominem implication one sees again and again in interviews is another example.
- menacingly 8y ago
  What I see becoming common is "sure, we should respect different opinions, but _this issue_ is so important we can't afford to sit on the sidelines", and then you say that for every issue.
- king_nothing 8y ago
  The Mirror Effect by Dr. Drew provides psych insight into this... that Hollywood and the media lionize eccentricity and extremes of behavior for money that then manufacture sentiment in the populace whom role-model this bc they believe these are desirable goals. IOW celebrity sex-tapes and power automatically given to vocal extremists, irrespective of the validity of their goals. So we end up with the Kardashians and their “reality” show, Caitlyn Jenner, Donald Trump, Alex Jones, Carl “Sargon of Akkad” Benjamin, Yale Screaming Girl and Anita Sarkeesian. Finally, it contributes to at least two polticals camps of people yelling at each other from parallel political universes and not getting much done, but divide-and-conquer (whether side-effect, planned or both) sure does benefit those whom are comfortably in actual power.
thaumasiotes 8y ago
> I thought Damore's memo was an insane level of workplace inappropriate if just from a topic standpoint I feel like the idea "our hiring policies are getting us a lower quality of incoming employees than we should be getting" seems OK in the workplace from a topic standpoint...

stcredzero 8y ago

It should be possible to conduct yourself professionally and not burn up inside over whether or not someone harbors some ideology that conflicts with one of yours. More and more, it's portrayed in the media that people who are so out of control they can't tolerate different opinions are the "genuine" ones. This goes hand in hand with how certain kinds of ad-hominem attack are somehow morally laudable and intellectual worthy activities.

xapata 8y ago
I haven't observed the media portrayal you describe. Different channels promote different views, but claiming more "genuine" isn't something I've seen.
- stcredzero 8y ago
  That scene with Bill O'Reilly yelling, "We'll do it LIVE!" is a prime example. The sort of ad-hominem implication one sees again and again in interviews is another example.
menacingly 8y ago
What I see becoming common is "sure, we should respect different opinions, but _this issue_ is so important we can't afford to sit on the sidelines", and then you say that for every issue.
king_nothing 8y ago
The Mirror Effect by Dr. Drew provides psych insight into this... that Hollywood and the media lionize eccentricity and extremes of behavior for money that then manufacture sentiment in the populace whom role-model this bc they believe these are desirable goals. IOW celebrity sex-tapes and power automatically given to vocal extremists, irrespective of the validity of their goals. So we end up with the Kardashians and their “reality” show, Caitlyn Jenner, Donald Trump, Alex Jones, Carl “Sargon of Akkad” Benjamin, Yale Screaming Girl and Anita Sarkeesian. Finally, it contributes to at least two polticals camps of people yelling at each other from parallel political universes and not getting much done, but divide-and-conquer (whether side-effect, planned or both) sure does benefit those whom are comfortably in actual power.

thaumasiotes 8y ago

> I thought Damore's memo was an insane level of workplace inappropriate if just from a topic standpoint I feel like the idea "our hiring policies are getting us a lower quality of incoming employees than we should be getting" seems OK in the workplace from a topic standpoint...