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It's times like this I wish there was a solid decentralized standard to pick from, but there's no clear choice between XMPP and Matrix.

by tapoxi 8y ago

alexkavon 8y ago
Create a new one![0] [0] https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/
rkeene2 8y ago
There's always IRC ;-)
- deleted 8y ago
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- samuell 8y ago
  IRC is actually viable, with https://riot.im https://riot.im for offline logging and mobile access.
dielan 8y ago
Matrix is my preference for sure. It's fresh and exciting. While XMPP is harder to talk people into trying
- edhelas 8y ago
  If you are interested we are building a communication platform for communities fully based on XMPP https://movim.eu/ https://movim.eu/ :) It can easily be deployed on a Web server.
- cbm-vic-20 8y ago
  Their site (https://matrix.org https://matrix.org) reeks of hype-oriented engineering. From the most cursory overview of their home page, their decentralization looks a lot like IRC peering.
  - dijit 8y ago
    The federation elements actually work pretty well, more similar to XMPP than IRC.
mynewtb 8y ago
Zulip is amazing, is a self hosted system without federation is an option for you.
- tomstockmail 8y ago
  Love the workflow with Zulip, but I hope they work out a way to join in with either Matrix or IRC3+ federation.
sanderjd 8y ago
It's not about the protocols, it's about having a client with a user experience that is acceptable to an entire company rather than just a team of engineers. Which decentralized protocol has such a client? (Speaking as someone who got burned trying to advocate for IRC at a company that eventually and inevitably switched to Slack.)
- tapoxi 8y ago
  There's plenty of decent XMPP clients, like Spark (https://igniterealtime.org/projects/spark/ https://igniterealtime.org/projects/spark/) but they'd take an IT team to configure. Matrix has Riot (https://riot.im/app https://riot.im/app) but personally I find it incredibly confusing.
  - sanderjd 8y ago
    I'll have to take a look at Spark. I don't think it's a problem if something needs to be initially deployed and configured by an IT department (or otherwise tech savvy individual or group), as long as its onboarding and primary usage flows are straightforward. An arbitrary non-tech-savvy but internet-familiar employee needs to be able to create an account, browse and join rooms, and search through history without any hand-holding. Slack and its direct competitors pass this test. IRC doesn't. Does Spark?
    - tapoxi 8y ago
      It's certainly the closest of all XMPP clients I've used, since it has a very friendly interface. Their related Openfire XMPP server is also targeted at internal deployments and is very easy to configure with a web UI.
- ummonk 8y ago
  Curious why you got burned with IRC client UX given the multitude of clients available for it.
  - swozey 8y ago
kirbypineapple 8y ago
We use Slack for everyday company wide communication/ announcements and Riot for encrypted secure communications (you can host Riot yourself): https://about.riot.im/ https://about.riot.im/

It's times like this I wish there was a solid decentralized standard to pick from, but there's no clear choice between XMPP and Matrix.

by tapoxi 8y ago

It's times like this I wish there was a solid decentralized standard to pick from, but there's no clear choice between XMPP and Matrix.

alexkavon 8y ago

Create a new one![0] [0] https://xkcd.com/927/ https://xkcd.com/927/

rkeene2 8y ago

There's always IRC ;-)

deleted 8y ago
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samuell 8y ago
IRC is actually viable, with https://riot.im https://riot.im for offline logging and mobile access.

dielan 8y ago

Matrix is my preference for sure. It's fresh and exciting. While XMPP is harder to talk people into trying

edhelas 8y ago
If you are interested we are building a communication platform for communities fully based on XMPP https://movim.eu/ https://movim.eu/ :) It can easily be deployed on a Web server.
cbm-vic-20 8y ago
Their site (https://matrix.org https://matrix.org) reeks of hype-oriented engineering. From the most cursory overview of their home page, their decentralization looks a lot like IRC peering.
- dijit 8y ago
  The federation elements actually work pretty well, more similar to XMPP than IRC.

mynewtb 8y ago

Zulip is amazing, is a self hosted system without federation is an option for you.

tomstockmail 8y ago
Love the workflow with Zulip, but I hope they work out a way to join in with either Matrix or IRC3+ federation.

sanderjd 8y ago

It's not about the protocols, it's about having a client with a user experience that is acceptable to an entire company rather than just a team of engineers. Which decentralized protocol has such a client? (Speaking as someone who got burned trying to advocate for IRC at a company that eventually and inevitably switched to Slack.)

tapoxi 8y ago
There's plenty of decent XMPP clients, like Spark (https://igniterealtime.org/projects/spark/ https://igniterealtime.org/projects/spark/) but they'd take an IT team to configure. Matrix has Riot (https://riot.im/app https://riot.im/app) but personally I find it incredibly confusing.
- sanderjd 8y ago
  I'll have to take a look at Spark. I don't think it's a problem if something needs to be initially deployed and configured by an IT department (or otherwise tech savvy individual or group), as long as its onboarding and primary usage flows are straightforward. An arbitrary non-tech-savvy but internet-familiar employee needs to be able to create an account, browse and join rooms, and search through history without any hand-holding. Slack and its direct competitors pass this test. IRC doesn't. Does Spark?
  - tapoxi 8y ago
    It's certainly the closest of all XMPP clients I've used, since it has a very friendly interface. Their related Openfire XMPP server is also targeted at internal deployments and is very easy to configure with a web UI.
ummonk 8y ago
Curious why you got burned with IRC client UX given the multitude of clients available for it.
- swozey 8y ago

kirbypineapple 8y ago

We use Slack for everyday company wide communication/ announcements and Riot for encrypted secure communications (you can host Riot yourself): https://about.riot.im/ https://about.riot.im/