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* I want it for our office. * Generally speaking, putting something onto the internet doesn't entitle you to make reproductions/copies/prints for your personal

* I want it for our office. * Generally speaking, putting something onto the internet doesn't entitle you to make reproductions/copies/prints for your personal use, at least in US law and I believe in most European jurisdictions. You can usually see this with photographers who may sell you the rights to your photos in addition to/alongside any physical or digital prints they sell you. IANAL, but hot damn is this community aggressive to people suggesting they would pay for things.

freehunter 8y ago
I don't think anyone here is being aggressive, generally people on HN are positive towards paying for things. The argument here isn't "pay for it or don't pay for it", it's "do you actually need to pay for it before printing it for your own consumption". Until you mentioned it was for your office, the answer was no [1]. You printing something linked online would not violate the four factors determining Fair Use (at least in US law). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_v._Arriba_Soft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_v._Arriba_Soft_Corp. Displaying it publicly in a place of business may run afoul of fair use though.
- estsauver 8y ago
  That case references reproductions of thumbnail images for search engines and lays out the criteria under which a fair use is judged, and people who are casually reading your comment shouldn't take it as a definitive judgement about legality. For some extended commentary on what fair use is, https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/ https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-... is pretty good. While you're unlikely to be sued for printing off something you don't have the right to make a copy of, you definitely don't have the right to make prints of whatever you find on the internet.
  - freehunter 8y ago
    >you definitely don't have the right to make prints of whatever you find on the internet If you have any references that say that, I'd love to see them. Specifically, I'd like to see anything that says that printing a contents of a publicly accessible website for personal use and not to distribute or sell is a violation of copyright. I'm not a lawyer, but everything I read in the Wikipedia article I linked to says otherwise. The printed version would be transformative, the image is from a published work, and printing it does not harm the market value of the image. That's why I linked it, because it's substantially the same argument.
NKosmatos 8y ago
This reminds me of the copyright note at the bottom of most pages by Ken: https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/index.htm https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/index.htm (see the last paragraph of "Help Me Help You" section) "As this page is copyrighted and formally registered, it is unlawful to make copies, especially in the form of printouts for personal use. If you wish to make a printout for personal use, you are granted one-time permission only if you PayPal me $5.00 per printout or part thereof. Thank you!"
Jacqued 8y ago
I think it's more of a general hostility to copyright rather than not wanting to pay for things.

freehunter 8y ago

I don't think anyone here is being aggressive, generally people on HN are positive towards paying for things. The argument here isn't "pay for it or don't pay for it", it's "do you actually need to pay for it before printing it for your own consumption". Until you mentioned it was for your office, the answer was no [1]. You printing something linked online would not violate the four factors determining Fair Use (at least in US law). [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_v._Arriba_Soft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly_v._Arriba_Soft_Corp. Displaying it publicly in a place of business may run afoul of fair use though.

estsauver 8y ago
That case references reproductions of thumbnail images for search engines and lays out the criteria under which a fair use is judged, and people who are casually reading your comment shouldn't take it as a definitive judgement about legality. For some extended commentary on what fair use is, https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/ https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-... is pretty good. While you're unlikely to be sued for printing off something you don't have the right to make a copy of, you definitely don't have the right to make prints of whatever you find on the internet.
- freehunter 8y ago
  >you definitely don't have the right to make prints of whatever you find on the internet If you have any references that say that, I'd love to see them. Specifically, I'd like to see anything that says that printing a contents of a publicly accessible website for personal use and not to distribute or sell is a violation of copyright. I'm not a lawyer, but everything I read in the Wikipedia article I linked to says otherwise. The printed version would be transformative, the image is from a published work, and printing it does not harm the market value of the image. That's why I linked it, because it's substantially the same argument.

NKosmatos 8y ago

This reminds me of the copyright note at the bottom of most pages by Ken: https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/index.htm https://kenrockwell.com/nikon/index.htm (see the last paragraph of "Help Me Help You" section) "As this page is copyrighted and formally registered, it is unlawful to make copies, especially in the form of printouts for personal use. If you wish to make a printout for personal use, you are granted one-time permission only if you PayPal me $5.00 per printout or part thereof. Thank you!"

Jacqued 8y ago

I think it's more of a general hostility to copyright rather than not wanting to pay for things.