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Does it actually say that on the site? I can't find anything saying so.

freehunter 8y ago
In the US it would be considered fair use if you print a website's content for personal use. Maybe you'd want to use the laws in the country that produced this content (Germany), in which case I believe it'd fall under freie Benutzung. I'm not an expert in German copyright law, but it seems to me that even in Germany, if you're printing content for personal use and not distributing it or selling it or modifying it, you're in the clear.
- dahart 8y ago
  > In the US it would be considered fair use if you print a website's content for personal use. I don't think that's true. But... What's interesting about web sites is that visiting them makes a digital copy for personal use. That copying (in your browser and on your monitor) might be covered by the site's EULA, or it might not. If the site's permissions aren't granted explicitly, or they don't differentiate between visiting and printing, the bounds would seem to be gray and a suit against someone printing something from a website they visited might be hard to win.
  - freehunter 8y ago
    >I don't think that's true. Everyone in this thread is saying "I think so" or "I don't think so" and no one seems to be able to find any concrete evidence saying it is or is not illegal. I find that to be interesting.
    - dahart 8y ago
      I posted concrete evidence in this thread. I was just being non-aggressive and diplomatic in my wording here. It's also useful to stay a least a little bit vague, because we're not discussing very specific cases, people are asking general questions and making general statements. Whether or not something will get you into trouble is not something you can answer definitively without actually litigating the issue in court. Fair use has gray areas. * Edit, just to attempt make this more concrete: "personal use" is not an allowed exception under US copyright law, unless you're using it strictly for backups (fair use). But "Flights to Rome" isn't a US work, the website is authored by Germans, and hosted in Ireland on an AWS server owned by a US corporation but subject to both local and international laws. It's likely that the Berne Convention governs this example. In any case, it's safest to assume you can't copy the material legally.
dahart 8y ago
FWIW, it doesn't need to say so. Maybe that's what you meant? If the site gives no explicit permission, copying is not allowed. There's no requirement to have notice of copyright, no requirement to file for copyright, and no excuse for copying something you don't have the right to copy. Under US & German copyright laws, all works are automatically protected as soon as they're created, with the rights defaulting exclusively to the creator of the work. Unless you have explicit permission (which includes public domain & public license like Creative Commons) or you are copying under fair use, you don't have the right to copy anything legally.
- squeaky-clean 8y ago
  > FWIW, it doesn't need to say so. Maybe that's what you meant? If the site gives no explicit permission, copying is not allowed. Yeah, the parent commenter was saying you CAN print it for personal use, so me asking "Does it actually say that on the site?", the 'that' is "printing for personal use is okay". Either way I think we're in agreement, just because it's for personal use doesn't automatically make it "fair use".

In the US it would be considered fair use if you print a website's content for personal use. Maybe you'd want to use the laws in the country that produced this content (Germany), in which case I believe it'd fall under freie Benutzung. I'm not an expert in German copyright law, but it seems to me that even in Germany, if you're printing content for personal use and not distributing it or selling it or modifying it, you're in the clear.

dahart 8y ago
> In the US it would be considered fair use if you print a website's content for personal use. I don't think that's true. But... What's interesting about web sites is that visiting them makes a digital copy for personal use. That copying (in your browser and on your monitor) might be covered by the site's EULA, or it might not. If the site's permissions aren't granted explicitly, or they don't differentiate between visiting and printing, the bounds would seem to be gray and a suit against someone printing something from a website they visited might be hard to win.
- freehunter 8y ago
  >I don't think that's true. Everyone in this thread is saying "I think so" or "I don't think so" and no one seems to be able to find any concrete evidence saying it is or is not illegal. I find that to be interesting.
  - dahart 8y ago
    I posted concrete evidence in this thread. I was just being non-aggressive and diplomatic in my wording here. It's also useful to stay a least a little bit vague, because we're not discussing very specific cases, people are asking general questions and making general statements. Whether or not something will get you into trouble is not something you can answer definitively without actually litigating the issue in court. Fair use has gray areas. * Edit, just to attempt make this more concrete: "personal use" is not an allowed exception under US copyright law, unless you're using it strictly for backups (fair use). But "Flights to Rome" isn't a US work, the website is authored by Germans, and hosted in Ireland on an AWS server owned by a US corporation but subject to both local and international laws. It's likely that the Berne Convention governs this example. In any case, it's safest to assume you can't copy the material legally.

dahart 8y ago

FWIW, it doesn't need to say so. Maybe that's what you meant? If the site gives no explicit permission, copying is not allowed. There's no requirement to have notice of copyright, no requirement to file for copyright, and no excuse for copying something you don't have the right to copy. Under US & German copyright laws, all works are automatically protected as soon as they're created, with the rights defaulting exclusively to the creator of the work. Unless you have explicit permission (which includes public domain & public license like Creative Commons) or you are copying under fair use, you don't have the right to copy anything legally.

squeaky-clean 8y ago
> FWIW, it doesn't need to say so. Maybe that's what you meant? If the site gives no explicit permission, copying is not allowed. Yeah, the parent commenter was saying you CAN print it for personal use, so me asking "Does it actually say that on the site?", the 'that' is "printing for personal use is okay". Either way I think we're in agreement, just because it's for personal use doesn't automatically make it "fair use".