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I disagree with your sentiment enough that I want to downvote you (but won't as that's not what downvotes are for). STEM workers are absolutely underpaid in th

by yomly 8y ago

I disagree with your sentiment enough that I want to downvote you (but won't as that's not what downvotes are for). STEM workers are absolutely underpaid in the EU for their level of qualification - a non-CS PhD grad is "lucky" to earn £30k~ GBP after they move into industry. £30k pa buys you sweet FA - meanwhile, someone quantitative/techy can go do trading or make webapps to earn 2-5x more I'd argue that software engineers aren't overpaid, everyone else is underpaid - structural wage stagnation is well documented.

gaius 8y ago
The British government famously says that technical people should be “on tap, not on top” and that attitude permeates the entire country, with just a very few exceptions
- onemoresoop 8y ago
  It's more about experts to be kept on tap and not on top. And it makes sense. https://hbr.org/2012/07/keep-experts-on-tap-not-on-top https://hbr.org/2012/07/keep-experts-on-tap-not-on-top
  - gaius 8y ago
    Magazine for MBAs says MBAs are brilliant and everyone else is just a resource. Not very convincing.
    - onemoresoop 8y ago
      regardless of the magazine, it was not largely about technical people but about experts. It's the first time i'm hearing of 'on tap and not on top' and after reading on what it refers to it made a bit of sense to me. Experts are brilliant in their narrow field but they are not suitable to be at the top level. As to who should be on top is very debatable.. There are generally more examples of bad leadership...
      - gaius 8y ago
        That is not what is meant by the government. They mean Oxford PPE or STFU.
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jopsen 8y ago
In Denmark PhD. salary is about 45k GBP, that is the salary you get while writing your PhD. It's might be higher if employed by a company, these number were from the education guide. Europe is big, and it wouldn't surprise me if some parts have low wages. In this case the discrepancy is probably larger because GBP has fallen compared to EUR/DKK post brexit.
- yomly 8y ago
  Lol in London you usually get 18k for living expenses as a PhD student. Meanwhile, undergrad halls can cost as much as £200 pw in London does not compute

by yomly 8y ago

gaius 8y ago

The British government famously says that technical people should be “on tap, not on top” and that attitude permeates the entire country, with just a very few exceptions

onemoresoop 8y ago
It's more about experts to be kept on tap and not on top. And it makes sense. https://hbr.org/2012/07/keep-experts-on-tap-not-on-top https://hbr.org/2012/07/keep-experts-on-tap-not-on-top
- gaius 8y ago
  Magazine for MBAs says MBAs are brilliant and everyone else is just a resource. Not very convincing.
  - onemoresoop 8y ago
    regardless of the magazine, it was not largely about technical people but about experts. It's the first time i'm hearing of 'on tap and not on top' and after reading on what it refers to it made a bit of sense to me. Experts are brilliant in their narrow field but they are not suitable to be at the top level. As to who should be on top is very debatable.. There are generally more examples of bad leadership...
    - gaius 8y ago
      That is not what is meant by the government. They mean Oxford PPE or STFU.
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jopsen 8y ago

In Denmark PhD. salary is about 45k GBP, that is the salary you get while writing your PhD. It's might be higher if employed by a company, these number were from the education guide. Europe is big, and it wouldn't surprise me if some parts have low wages. In this case the discrepancy is probably larger because GBP has fallen compared to EUR/DKK post brexit.

yomly 8y ago
Lol in London you usually get 18k for living expenses as a PhD student. Meanwhile, undergrad halls can cost as much as £200 pw in London does not compute