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Online/offsite backup is a different use case. They are paying $60/year so that, if their house burns down, gets flooded, disk gets fried by lightning, they sti

Online/offsite backup is a different use case. They are paying $60/year so that, if their house burns down, gets flooded, disk gets fried by lightning, they still have their family pictures. Local backup is cheap and fast, and you should do it too. But it doesn't provide geographic redundancy.

kachurovskiy 8y ago
Another $60 buys a water and fireproof safe for the hard drive. I assume it also helps against lightning :-) I honestly think remote backup is an overkill for personal needs and new risks you get by placing your valuable data on someone else's hard drive are not always internalized.
- nathankunicki 8y ago
  By putting your drive in a safe, you now have to unlock it, take it out, plug it in, sync, unplug it, and lock it away. Which is a hassle if you want to stick to regular (hourly? daily?) backups. It is proven that if you introduce friction into process, over time that process will be followed less.
- scarface74 8y ago
  And you take your non redundantly stored hard drive out in 5 years and you can’t retrieve data on it. But realistically, isn’t it worth $60 a year to have a constantly backed up hard drive? The alternative is to take the hard drive out of the safe every so often and do a backup and put it back.
  - kachurovskiy 8y ago
    I've hard a few hard drives fail in the past decades but I've always been able to retrieve the data. I'm far less confident in a remote company. Your point is valid and constant, seamless backup is indeed a good thing to have. Whether it's worth $60/year is one's own decision.
    - eitland 8y ago
      > I've hard a few hard drives fail in the past decades but I've always been able to retrieve the data Care to share what kind of procedures you use? I've recovered some data for friends and employers who want it back but aren't prepared to pay > USD1000 for it but if I cannot connect to the disk I'm lost. (My tricks: tilting the disk, freezing the disk, leaving ssds powered on but sata unconnected, and even before that photorec and ddrescue etc.) Note: don't do any of the above if data needs to be recovered at any cost, in that case just contact a data recovery company.
  - beagle3 8y ago
    I've recently recovered data from a pair of 15GB and 20GB drives I last used in 2001 (and were stored in an ordinary closet of a house that experienced inside temperatures ranging from 5C to 30C over that time, and great humidity/dryness flactuations over those 17 years). There were 16 bad 512-byte sectors on one of the drives, but otherwise all worked. Modern higher density drives are probably less resilient, and who knows how flash drives will fair after 17 years in the closet - but my experience so far is that HDDs trump backup tapes on every measure including costs except at extreme sizes (at this point in time, into the petabytes).
voidmain0001 8y ago
The other point to remember is BB is not for archiving. BB states this itself. At least with external drives it is possible to archive.
- scarface74 8y ago
  True, the standard Backblaze offering will erase your backup if you’re not online for six months. If you have an external drive that’s offline for 30 days, they will erase your backup. A B2 based backup solution costs more but you don’t have those limitations.
  - voidmain0001 8y ago
    Accord to Backblaze the retention period is thirty days for the personal plan [1]. Where do you see six months? If a file is deleted on the source device, and the deletion is synchronized to the BB repository, the recovery window is 30 days. [1] https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217666628-What-is-a-backup-What-is-Backblaze- https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217666628-What-...
    - scarface74 8y ago
      Different thing: https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217664898-What-happens-to-my-backups-when-I-m-away-or-on-vacation- https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217664898-What-... If your computer is offline for six months and doesn’t connect to BackBlaze, they erase all of your data. If you have an externally attached drive on your computer and it isn’t connected in 30 days and your computer is online, they erase that backup of the external drive. If you reconnect your computer after a month and you don’t have the external drive connected, they erase your backup.

kachurovskiy 8y ago

Another $60 buys a water and fireproof safe for the hard drive. I assume it also helps against lightning :-) I honestly think remote backup is an overkill for personal needs and new risks you get by placing your valuable data on someone else's hard drive are not always internalized.

nathankunicki 8y ago
By putting your drive in a safe, you now have to unlock it, take it out, plug it in, sync, unplug it, and lock it away. Which is a hassle if you want to stick to regular (hourly? daily?) backups. It is proven that if you introduce friction into process, over time that process will be followed less.
scarface74 8y ago
And you take your non redundantly stored hard drive out in 5 years and you can’t retrieve data on it. But realistically, isn’t it worth $60 a year to have a constantly backed up hard drive? The alternative is to take the hard drive out of the safe every so often and do a backup and put it back.
- kachurovskiy 8y ago
  I've hard a few hard drives fail in the past decades but I've always been able to retrieve the data. I'm far less confident in a remote company. Your point is valid and constant, seamless backup is indeed a good thing to have. Whether it's worth $60/year is one's own decision.
  - eitland 8y ago
    > I've hard a few hard drives fail in the past decades but I've always been able to retrieve the data Care to share what kind of procedures you use? I've recovered some data for friends and employers who want it back but aren't prepared to pay > USD1000 for it but if I cannot connect to the disk I'm lost. (My tricks: tilting the disk, freezing the disk, leaving ssds powered on but sata unconnected, and even before that photorec and ddrescue etc.) Note: don't do any of the above if data needs to be recovered at any cost, in that case just contact a data recovery company.
- beagle3 8y ago
  I've recently recovered data from a pair of 15GB and 20GB drives I last used in 2001 (and were stored in an ordinary closet of a house that experienced inside temperatures ranging from 5C to 30C over that time, and great humidity/dryness flactuations over those 17 years). There were 16 bad 512-byte sectors on one of the drives, but otherwise all worked. Modern higher density drives are probably less resilient, and who knows how flash drives will fair after 17 years in the closet - but my experience so far is that HDDs trump backup tapes on every measure including costs except at extreme sizes (at this point in time, into the petabytes).

voidmain0001 8y ago

The other point to remember is BB is not for archiving. BB states this itself. At least with external drives it is possible to archive.

scarface74 8y ago
True, the standard Backblaze offering will erase your backup if you’re not online for six months. If you have an external drive that’s offline for 30 days, they will erase your backup. A B2 based backup solution costs more but you don’t have those limitations.
- voidmain0001 8y ago
  Accord to Backblaze the retention period is thirty days for the personal plan [1]. Where do you see six months? If a file is deleted on the source device, and the deletion is synchronized to the BB repository, the recovery window is 30 days. [1] https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217666628-What-is-a-backup-What-is-Backblaze- https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217666628-What-...
  - scarface74 8y ago
    Different thing: https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217664898-What-happens-to-my-backups-when-I-m-away-or-on-vacation- https://help.backblaze.com/hc/en-us/articles/217664898-What-... If your computer is offline for six months and doesn’t connect to BackBlaze, they erase all of your data. If you have an externally attached drive on your computer and it isn’t connected in 30 days and your computer is online, they erase that backup of the external drive. If you reconnect your computer after a month and you don’t have the external drive connected, they erase your backup.