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some people work for charities, some people work for facebook. the employees make the company, and are complicit if they don’t react harshly to decisions made b

some people work for charities, some people work for facebook. the employees make the company, and are complicit if they don’t react harshly to decisions made by their board like google employees did... if nobody wants to support the scummy tactics that “the company” is pushing, it won’t get done. sometimes you need to have a spine to get anything changed otherwise we are just heading for a blade runner distopia, and we in the tech industry are pushing us there as fast as our pay cheques can. people quit google over the military project because they didn’t agree with it. i don’t think it’s crazy to do the same over facebooks disgusting manipulation of their user base.

scrollaway 8y ago
I don't think it's crazy either, I just think it's totally inappropriate to tell people to think less of their friends when they don't have the full context. There's a lot of FB employees on HN and I wager a lot of them know how scummy their employer is. Yes, many are staying for the paycheck (and because leaving a job isn't an easy thing for everyone), but I know several who are staying because they feel that their position is where they can produce the most good for the world. Similarly, I know many people in politics who despise who/what they work for, but keep at it because that is where they can make a difference. It doesn't always work. But it also doesn't make me think less of them. At least of the ones who aren't staying because of the $.
- mistermann 8y ago
  > but I know several who are staying because they feel that their position is where they can produce the most good for the world Do you think Facebook is a net positive for the world? Borderline, or overwhelmingly? To be clear, I'm not asking whether some people get net benefit out of it, I'm talking about the net overall effect on society and the individuals within it. Personally, I believe it is causing tremendous psychological damage, and that anyone that works there is a contributor to that end.
  - scrollaway 8y ago
    I believe Facebook, overall, is a net negative. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have its own positives. Sticking to the "net positive / net negative" terms, imagine Facebook contributes a number of positive / negative points to the world. Now the sum can be a net negative, but that doesn't mean some line items aren't positives. Where do you work? Is your company flawless? Are you a contributor to every single one of its misdeeds merely because you work there? This isn't an easy thing to answer for everyone. I think it's certainly a question more Facebook employees should ask themselves though.
    - incidentnormal 8y ago
      That is what net means, there will be positives and negatives which contribute to the net. For the record I agree with you, I think Facebook is overall negative but not by much, there are very strong positives.
    - mistermann 8y ago
      I never thought I'd see the day that someone explained the meaning of the word net to me on HN.
- blub 8y ago
  No, they are not producing any kind of good for the world, never mind "the most". For the users, Facebook is just a means of communication, among many others. If it disappeared tomorrow 10 different platforms would replace it and the level of goodness in the world might even increase. Doing good is probably the lamest, least truthful excuse for working at Facebook, goes to show how self-deluded people can be.
  - Xixi 8y ago
    What if you are working at Facebook on improving Linux's network stack for example? Sure, if you have the skills to do that, you will find work very easily. But is it easy to find a job that would allow you to make these kind of contributions?
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- eurticket 8y ago
  I agree, you can't say that to someone to just drop their friends because the company they work for is evil. Hell, I'd actually like to see where all the people calling for this work — them lets see if we can hold their companies to the same light, and if they would actually be willing to quit. I'm saying this a non-facebook user for a number of years, this sounds pretty ridiculous to expect.
mrmondo 8y ago
I feel that I agree with you @rickycook

scrollaway 8y ago

I don't think it's crazy either, I just think it's totally inappropriate to tell people to think less of their friends when they don't have the full context. There's a lot of FB employees on HN and I wager a lot of them know how scummy their employer is. Yes, many are staying for the paycheck (and because leaving a job isn't an easy thing for everyone), but I know several who are staying because they feel that their position is where they can produce the most good for the world. Similarly, I know many people in politics who despise who/what they work for, but keep at it because that is where they can make a difference. It doesn't always work. But it also doesn't make me think less of them. At least of the ones who aren't staying because of the $.

mistermann 8y ago
> but I know several who are staying because they feel that their position is where they can produce the most good for the world Do you think Facebook is a net positive for the world? Borderline, or overwhelmingly? To be clear, I'm not asking whether some people get net benefit out of it, I'm talking about the net overall effect on society and the individuals within it. Personally, I believe it is causing tremendous psychological damage, and that anyone that works there is a contributor to that end.
- scrollaway 8y ago
  I believe Facebook, overall, is a net negative. But that doesn't mean it doesn't have its own positives. Sticking to the "net positive / net negative" terms, imagine Facebook contributes a number of positive / negative points to the world. Now the sum can be a net negative, but that doesn't mean some line items aren't positives. Where do you work? Is your company flawless? Are you a contributor to every single one of its misdeeds merely because you work there? This isn't an easy thing to answer for everyone. I think it's certainly a question more Facebook employees should ask themselves though.
  - incidentnormal 8y ago
    That is what net means, there will be positives and negatives which contribute to the net. For the record I agree with you, I think Facebook is overall negative but not by much, there are very strong positives.
  - mistermann 8y ago
    I never thought I'd see the day that someone explained the meaning of the word net to me on HN.
blub 8y ago
No, they are not producing any kind of good for the world, never mind "the most". For the users, Facebook is just a means of communication, among many others. If it disappeared tomorrow 10 different platforms would replace it and the level of goodness in the world might even increase. Doing good is probably the lamest, least truthful excuse for working at Facebook, goes to show how self-deluded people can be.
- Xixi 8y ago
  What if you are working at Facebook on improving Linux's network stack for example? Sure, if you have the skills to do that, you will find work very easily. But is it easy to find a job that would allow you to make these kind of contributions?
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eurticket 8y ago
I agree, you can't say that to someone to just drop their friends because the company they work for is evil. Hell, I'd actually like to see where all the people calling for this work — them lets see if we can hold their companies to the same light, and if they would actually be willing to quit. I'm saying this a non-facebook user for a number of years, this sounds pretty ridiculous to expect.

mrmondo 8y ago

I feel that I agree with you @rickycook