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I've been following the IPv6 rollout with interest for the last few years from outside the networking / RIR / LIR / ISP community and I have a question if anyon

by dstick 8y ago

I've been following the IPv6 rollout with interest for the last few years from outside the networking / RIR / LIR / ISP community and I have a question if anyone could provide some insights: ARIN is already out of IPv4, RIPE just finished their last /8 and are now going through the remaining available pile - what happens when they're all gone? Won't the world sort of be forced to migrate?

azernik 8y ago
This increases the motivation, but there are methods of delaying the hard requirement to migrate. A smaller patch is to reclaim unused blocks; a bigger one is carrier-grade NAT. e.g. in some countries such as Russia your ISP will allocate you a 10.0.0.0/8 address rather than a publicly-routable one, and will have a NAT between its customers in your city and the publicly-addressable internet. And yes, this is an ugly solution and comes with a lot of problems and costs.
akvadrako 8y ago
You can buy IPv4 addresses on a second-hand market. A few years ago they were about $8 each, with a minimum of 256. Plus you need to pay an RIR member to hold them for you, which incurs about $50/year in RIR fees for Europe. So it's not a big deal yet.
neojima 8y ago
- APNIC ran out in 2011, but has a new-LIR pool remaining - RIPE ran out in 2012, but has a new-LIR pool remaining (part of which is that /8 you mentioned) - LACNIC ran out in 2014, but has a new-LIR pool remaining - ARIN ran out in 2015, and does not have a new-LIR pool - AFRINIC is the only RIR with a general-use pool available As akvadrako says, there's a secondary market, except the current pricing is around 16+USD/IP, with the semi-obvious minimum of a /24 (so, 4000+USD). Given that (in ARIN region) that /24 would have cost you 250USD up-front, it's a marked increase. (Actual current numbers, FWIW: https://www.ipv4auctions.com/customer/account/previous/ https://www.ipv4auctions.com/customer/account/previous/ )

by dstick 8y ago

azernik 8y ago

This increases the motivation, but there are methods of delaying the hard requirement to migrate. A smaller patch is to reclaim unused blocks; a bigger one is carrier-grade NAT. e.g. in some countries such as Russia your ISP will allocate you a 10.0.0.0/8 address rather than a publicly-routable one, and will have a NAT between its customers in your city and the publicly-addressable internet. And yes, this is an ugly solution and comes with a lot of problems and costs.

akvadrako 8y ago

You can buy IPv4 addresses on a second-hand market. A few years ago they were about $8 each, with a minimum of 256. Plus you need to pay an RIR member to hold them for you, which incurs about $50/year in RIR fees for Europe. So it's not a big deal yet.

neojima 8y ago

- APNIC ran out in 2011, but has a new-LIR pool remaining - RIPE ran out in 2012, but has a new-LIR pool remaining (part of which is that /8 you mentioned) - LACNIC ran out in 2014, but has a new-LIR pool remaining - ARIN ran out in 2015, and does not have a new-LIR pool - AFRINIC is the only RIR with a general-use pool available As akvadrako says, there's a secondary market, except the current pricing is around 16+USD/IP, with the semi-obvious minimum of a /24 (so, 4000+USD). Given that (in ARIN region) that /24 would have cost you 250USD up-front, it's a marked increase. (Actual current numbers, FWIW: https://www.ipv4auctions.com/customer/account/previous/ https://www.ipv4auctions.com/customer/account/previous/ )