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According to online.net "cold storage" C14 comparison, they are cheaper than Backblaze, most of the time: https://www.online.net/en/c14 https://www.online.net/

by Aissen 8y ago

According to online.net "cold storage" C14 comparison, they are cheaper than Backblaze, most of the time: https://www.online.net/en/c14 https://www.online.net/en/c14

gsibble 8y ago
B2 is warm storage much more like S3 while cold storage is like glacier.
qeternity 8y ago
C14 is really not at all an object store. Getting data in and out is a huge pain, even compared to other cold stores like AWS or OVH. We evaluated them and passed.
- Aissen 8y ago
  Thanks, I was looking for this type of feedback. The pricing comparison is still interesting. Could you do a summary of your evaluation for others that didn't test most services?
  - qeternity 8y ago
    Yeah, here's a quick stab: S3 - not much to say, fast, durable, expensive...the gold standard. Given limitations of below, we use for rotating nightly backups despite cost. Glacier - great for cold storage/archive, but has 90 day minimum OVH hot - open stack based, cheaper than S3 but not absurdly cheap, charged for egress even intra-DC which is absurd and kills many use cases. They have crippled OpenStack permission management (i.e. no write-only keys with lifetime management per bucket which is necessary for doing backups securely) OVH cold - charges for ingress but then storage is crazy cheap, and egress not as bad as Glacier. This is our preferred archival option. C14 - not object storage, more like a "cold" ftp dump B2 - pricing is epic, S3-incompatibility is a pain and lack of Backblaze-sponsored libraries (the library in the python b2 cli is not a proper API)...we've been working on adding B2 to WAL-E. However, their permission/user management doesn't cut it. Wasabi - S3 compatible, great pricing if not for 90 day minimum, which they hide in the fine print
    - Aissen 8y ago
      That's awesome value, thanks !
    - brianwski 8y ago
      Disclaimer: I work for Backblaze. > B2 - their permission/user management doesn't cut it Have you seen the new "Multiple Application Keys" APIs we have published docs for (and the release coming in a week or two)? I'm curious if they satisfy your permission needs. The docs are here: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/docs/application_keys.html https://www.backblaze.com/b2/docs/application_keys.html A screenshot of the web GUI to these keys is here: https://i.imgur.com/RdlgdAs.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RdlgdAs.jpg (NOTE: the web GUI does not expose the full power of the multiple application keys, it is meant to be easy to use and hopefully satisfy 95% of customer's needs.)
      - AgentME 8y ago
        That looks great for me at least! I'd been using B2 a bit personally, but had written off using it for any serious projects because of the inability to make extra restricted per-project(bucket) API keys.
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deno 8y ago
It’s more like Amazon Glacier. > Q: How do safe-deposit boxes work? > A: The safe-deposit box is a free temporary storage space > that lets you to upload your files before creating an > archive. > The safe-deposit box can be accessed for free using Rsync, > FTP, SFTP, SCP protocols for a period of 7 days and > supports up to 40TB. > After 7 days or when you archive your safe-deposit box, > your data are permanently stored on C14. > When unarchiving, your data are delivered untouched, > including file metadata.

by Aissen 8y ago

According to online.net "cold storage" C14 comparison, they are cheaper than Backblaze, most of the time: https://www.online.net/en/c14 https://www.online.net/en/c14

gsibble 8y ago

B2 is warm storage much more like S3 while cold storage is like glacier.

qeternity 8y ago

C14 is really not at all an object store. Getting data in and out is a huge pain, even compared to other cold stores like AWS or OVH. We evaluated them and passed.

Aissen 8y ago
Thanks, I was looking for this type of feedback. The pricing comparison is still interesting. Could you do a summary of your evaluation for others that didn't test most services?
- qeternity 8y ago
  Yeah, here's a quick stab: S3 - not much to say, fast, durable, expensive...the gold standard. Given limitations of below, we use for rotating nightly backups despite cost. Glacier - great for cold storage/archive, but has 90 day minimum OVH hot - open stack based, cheaper than S3 but not absurdly cheap, charged for egress even intra-DC which is absurd and kills many use cases. They have crippled OpenStack permission management (i.e. no write-only keys with lifetime management per bucket which is necessary for doing backups securely) OVH cold - charges for ingress but then storage is crazy cheap, and egress not as bad as Glacier. This is our preferred archival option. C14 - not object storage, more like a "cold" ftp dump B2 - pricing is epic, S3-incompatibility is a pain and lack of Backblaze-sponsored libraries (the library in the python b2 cli is not a proper API)...we've been working on adding B2 to WAL-E. However, their permission/user management doesn't cut it. Wasabi - S3 compatible, great pricing if not for 90 day minimum, which they hide in the fine print
  - Aissen 8y ago
    That's awesome value, thanks !
  - brianwski 8y ago
    Disclaimer: I work for Backblaze. > B2 - their permission/user management doesn't cut it Have you seen the new "Multiple Application Keys" APIs we have published docs for (and the release coming in a week or two)? I'm curious if they satisfy your permission needs. The docs are here: https://www.backblaze.com/b2/docs/application_keys.html https://www.backblaze.com/b2/docs/application_keys.html A screenshot of the web GUI to these keys is here: https://i.imgur.com/RdlgdAs.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RdlgdAs.jpg (NOTE: the web GUI does not expose the full power of the multiple application keys, it is meant to be easy to use and hopefully satisfy 95% of customer's needs.)
    - AgentME 8y ago
      That looks great for me at least! I'd been using B2 a bit personally, but had written off using it for any serious projects because of the inability to make extra restricted per-project(bucket) API keys.
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deno 8y ago

It’s more like Amazon Glacier. > Q: How do safe-deposit boxes work? > A: The safe-deposit box is a free temporary storage space > that lets you to upload your files before creating an > archive. > The safe-deposit box can be accessed for free using Rsync, > FTP, SFTP, SCP protocols for a period of 7 days and > supports up to 40TB. > After 7 days or when you archive your safe-deposit box, > your data are permanently stored on C14. > When unarchiving, your data are delivered untouched, > including file metadata.