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> But they are not mine Well, trade war it is then. And it might not be so easy to win against 95% of the world. Specially seeing how unfairly the US has been

> But they are not mine Well, trade war it is then. And it might not be so easy to win against 95% of the world. Specially seeing how unfairly the US has been acting internationally: trade disputes are minor issues compared to the military and monetary abuses done by the US.

mc32 8y ago
If you want unfair monetary abuses, talk to the IMF/World Bank[1] and China's "loans" around Asia and Africa. I think we have retreated from military affairs compared to the Bush and Obama years (to the chagrin of Dem and Repub neo-cons). In trade, we've acted too fairly with the other developed nations. [1]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/09/the-world-bank-and-the-imf-wont-admit-their-policies-are-the-problem https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/09/the-world-b...
- gonvaled 8y ago
  No, I prefer to talk US bullying to anybody willing to swap the dollar for euros for example (Iranian Oil Bourse). And it is quite rich to say "we have reduced military affairs": the EU is suffering a massive migration crisis caused by the lie-based military intervention in Irak over 15 years ago, while the US refuses to take any of those migrants.
  - mc32 8y ago
    Most of those migrants are from North and Sub-Sharan Africa, You can thank Obama (and Bush). Most blame goes to the ill-conceived "Arab Spring" Obama and Hillary sprung.
    - gonvaled 8y ago
      The general unstability of the region after the collapse of one of the few stable regimes (Irak) due to US intervention is one major reason why so many crisis sparked in the area. Most migrants come from Siria. And little matters which american polititian is to blame for this crisis: the US is mainly responsible, and unfairly does not play any role in mitigating the consequences by taking refugees.
      - mc32 8y ago
        Iraq had its issues, sure, but the instability you see in Syria is unrelated to that but quite related to the "Arab Spring". Iraq was not exporting its instability. The Obama admin tried stirring thigs up and then Saudi and Iran of course had to rush in to fill up the vacuum and create more instability along with Russia (backing Iran) because each wanted to be hegemonic in the ME.
        gonvaled 8y ago
        Fine, let's say you have convinced me: it was crooked Hilary. Are you taking those refugees then? Germany has taken close to 1 million, Turkey 3, Libanon has a 50% population increase. How is the US stepping up to the plate?
        mc32 8y ago
        I'll let you know when I see Saudi and Iran taking in their brethren. Europe contributes to the drug trade in Mexico whose instability leads to illegal crossings into the US. Over the years we’ve taken more millions. We don’t ask the EU to “do its part.”
        gonvaled 8y ago
        But you are seeing Turkey taking lots of refugees for something the US is mainly responsible. Extremely unfair.
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  - SubiculumCode 8y ago
    Maybe, but after two world wars, Europe should just grin and bear it.

mc32 8y ago

If you want unfair monetary abuses, talk to the IMF/World Bank[1] and China's "loans" around Asia and Africa. I think we have retreated from military affairs compared to the Bush and Obama years (to the chagrin of Dem and Repub neo-cons). In trade, we've acted too fairly with the other developed nations. [1]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/09/the-world-bank-and-the-imf-wont-admit-their-policies-are-the-problem https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/09/the-world-b...

gonvaled 8y ago
No, I prefer to talk US bullying to anybody willing to swap the dollar for euros for example (Iranian Oil Bourse). And it is quite rich to say "we have reduced military affairs": the EU is suffering a massive migration crisis caused by the lie-based military intervention in Irak over 15 years ago, while the US refuses to take any of those migrants.
- mc32 8y ago
  Most of those migrants are from North and Sub-Sharan Africa, You can thank Obama (and Bush). Most blame goes to the ill-conceived "Arab Spring" Obama and Hillary sprung.
  - gonvaled 8y ago
    The general unstability of the region after the collapse of one of the few stable regimes (Irak) due to US intervention is one major reason why so many crisis sparked in the area. Most migrants come from Siria. And little matters which american polititian is to blame for this crisis: the US is mainly responsible, and unfairly does not play any role in mitigating the consequences by taking refugees.
    - mc32 8y ago
      Iraq had its issues, sure, but the instability you see in Syria is unrelated to that but quite related to the "Arab Spring". Iraq was not exporting its instability. The Obama admin tried stirring thigs up and then Saudi and Iran of course had to rush in to fill up the vacuum and create more instability along with Russia (backing Iran) because each wanted to be hegemonic in the ME.
      - gonvaled 8y ago
        Fine, let's say you have convinced me: it was crooked Hilary. Are you taking those refugees then? Germany has taken close to 1 million, Turkey 3, Libanon has a 50% population increase. How is the US stepping up to the plate?
        mc32 8y ago
        I'll let you know when I see Saudi and Iran taking in their brethren. Europe contributes to the drug trade in Mexico whose instability leads to illegal crossings into the US. Over the years we’ve taken more millions. We don’t ask the EU to “do its part.”
        gonvaled 8y ago
        But you are seeing Turkey taking lots of refugees for something the US is mainly responsible. Extremely unfair.
        deleted 8y ago
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- SubiculumCode 8y ago
  Maybe, but after two world wars, Europe should just grin and bear it.