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Nicer yes, but not nice at all: fake wars, dollar bullying and rules ownership (global IP and trade laws are made by US for US) has given the US a tilted playin

Nicer yes, but not nice at all: fake wars, dollar bullying and rules ownership (global IP and trade laws are made by US for US) has given the US a tilted playing field. The US is still by far the richest country. If it has blue collar problems maybe it should rethink the way richness and costs are distributed. Maybe the US led capitalism needs a rethink. And blamimg the world for this ideology is quite astounding: the US has pushed for it for over 60 years. And more: what do you have against 95% of the world"s blue collar workforce?

mc32 8y ago
>And more: what do you have against 95% of the world"s blue collar workforce? Nothing. But they are not mine. As they don't care about my blue collar sisters and brothers, nor do I care about theirs. People think redundant blue collar workers should retrain, get new skills. That's nice. Usually the service jobs don't pay as well and it's naïve to think 50 and 60 yos have the bandwidth to retrain and achieve similar status in a new career. EU and Japan enforce IP just as much as we do. They may be even be more stringent. If Trump is successful in this, he has a decent chance at making it possible for blue collar whites and blacks to achieve the potential Bruce Springsteen saw in them.
- gonvaled 8y ago
  > But they are not mine Well, trade war it is then. And it might not be so easy to win against 95% of the world. Specially seeing how unfairly the US has been acting internationally: trade disputes are minor issues compared to the military and monetary abuses done by the US.
  - mc32 8y ago
    If you want unfair monetary abuses, talk to the IMF/World Bank[1] and China's "loans" around Asia and Africa. I think we have retreated from military affairs compared to the Bush and Obama years (to the chagrin of Dem and Repub neo-cons). In trade, we've acted too fairly with the other developed nations. [1]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/09/the-world-bank-and-the-imf-wont-admit-their-policies-are-the-problem https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/09/the-world-b...
    - gonvaled 8y ago
      No, I prefer to talk US bullying to anybody willing to swap the dollar for euros for example (Iranian Oil Bourse). And it is quite rich to say "we have reduced military affairs": the EU is suffering a massive migration crisis caused by the lie-based military intervention in Irak over 15 years ago, while the US refuses to take any of those migrants.
      - mc32 8y ago
        Most of those migrants are from North and Sub-Sharan Africa, You can thank Obama (and Bush). Most blame goes to the ill-conceived "Arab Spring" Obama and Hillary sprung.
        gonvaled 8y ago
        The general unstability of the region after the collapse of one of the few stable regimes (Irak) due to US intervention is one major reason why so many crisis sparked in the area. Most migrants come from Siria. And little matters which american polititian is to blame for this crisis: the US is mainly responsible, and unfairly does not play any role in mitigating the consequences by taking refugees.
        mc32 8y ago
        Iraq had its issues, sure, but the instability you see in Syria is unrelated to that but quite related to the "Arab Spring". Iraq was not exporting its instability. The Obama admin tried stirring thigs up and then Saudi and Iran of course had to rush in to fill up the vacuum and create more instability along with Russia (backing Iran) because each wanted to be hegemonic in the ME.
        gonvaled 8y ago
        Fine, let's say you have convinced me: it was crooked Hilary. Are you taking those refugees then? Germany has taken close to 1 million, Turkey 3, Libanon has a 50% population increase. How is the US stepping up to the plate?

mc32 8y ago

>And more: what do you have against 95% of the world"s blue collar workforce? Nothing. But they are not mine. As they don't care about my blue collar sisters and brothers, nor do I care about theirs. People think redundant blue collar workers should retrain, get new skills. That's nice. Usually the service jobs don't pay as well and it's naïve to think 50 and 60 yos have the bandwidth to retrain and achieve similar status in a new career. EU and Japan enforce IP just as much as we do. They may be even be more stringent. If Trump is successful in this, he has a decent chance at making it possible for blue collar whites and blacks to achieve the potential Bruce Springsteen saw in them.

gonvaled 8y ago
> But they are not mine Well, trade war it is then. And it might not be so easy to win against 95% of the world. Specially seeing how unfairly the US has been acting internationally: trade disputes are minor issues compared to the military and monetary abuses done by the US.
- mc32 8y ago
  If you want unfair monetary abuses, talk to the IMF/World Bank[1] and China's "loans" around Asia and Africa. I think we have retreated from military affairs compared to the Bush and Obama years (to the chagrin of Dem and Repub neo-cons). In trade, we've acted too fairly with the other developed nations. [1]https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/09/the-world-bank-and-the-imf-wont-admit-their-policies-are-the-problem https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/09/the-world-b...
  - gonvaled 8y ago
    No, I prefer to talk US bullying to anybody willing to swap the dollar for euros for example (Iranian Oil Bourse). And it is quite rich to say "we have reduced military affairs": the EU is suffering a massive migration crisis caused by the lie-based military intervention in Irak over 15 years ago, while the US refuses to take any of those migrants.
    - mc32 8y ago
      Most of those migrants are from North and Sub-Sharan Africa, You can thank Obama (and Bush). Most blame goes to the ill-conceived "Arab Spring" Obama and Hillary sprung.
      - gonvaled 8y ago
        The general unstability of the region after the collapse of one of the few stable regimes (Irak) due to US intervention is one major reason why so many crisis sparked in the area. Most migrants come from Siria. And little matters which american polititian is to blame for this crisis: the US is mainly responsible, and unfairly does not play any role in mitigating the consequences by taking refugees.
        mc32 8y ago
        Iraq had its issues, sure, but the instability you see in Syria is unrelated to that but quite related to the "Arab Spring". Iraq was not exporting its instability. The Obama admin tried stirring thigs up and then Saudi and Iran of course had to rush in to fill up the vacuum and create more instability along with Russia (backing Iran) because each wanted to be hegemonic in the ME.
        gonvaled 8y ago
        Fine, let's say you have convinced me: it was crooked Hilary. Are you taking those refugees then? Germany has taken close to 1 million, Turkey 3, Libanon has a 50% population increase. How is the US stepping up to the plate?