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It's hard to say exactly and varies widely but I'd guess something like $120-160k range for a senior person even at most places that aren't the top 5. Stats I

by owyn 8y ago

It's hard to say exactly and varies widely but I'd guess something like $120-160k range for a senior person even at most places that aren't the top 5. Stats I found say median pay is closer to $105k though (in 2017). Front-end/UI/UX seems to be in pretty high demand, so there aren't as many senior people to be found and most places that I've seen have been happy to hire junior people. Median pay at Facebook is $240k. Median pay at Twitter is $160k. That would be all-in with stock etc.

gnarcoregrizz 8y ago
120-160k sounds low for a senior role. kids out of college get offered 120k now for entry level roles.
- Bahamut 8y ago
  Only if they're working for one of the big tech companies - they almost certainly won't be making that much at a startup out of college unless they happen to be uncommonly good at negotiating/have good experience from internships. $160k is low for a true senior though. I have been making $160k base at a startup since 2.5 years into my career, and basically negotiations have been name-your-price for me. I can confirm first hand that the big tech companies pay a lot for senior engineers though - if you're any good, you can hit $250k+ pretty fast (disclaimer: I work in a FAANG currently).
  - apexalpha 8y ago
    Bit Off-topic: shouldn't it be FAAMG? Or did we collectively kick Microsoft, the global OS and Office software supplier, out of the cool kids club and replace it with Netflix, a video website?
    - owyn 8y ago
      Microsoft doesn’t have much impact in the SF area. It has been around a long time before the current rent/wage inflation bubble and is based in the Seattle area which is much cheaper... Netflix is legendary for paying some of the highest salaries in the bay areas. I’ll tack this on since I didn’t think of mentioning it earlier and it’s relevant to the original post... on the low end of that range assume 10k/month in gross wages, subtract 40% in tax and another 3k in rent for a 1br apt and another 1k for car + insurance + parking + Internet + phone etc. Now you’re at about 2k left over in net income monthly. This is an expensive area. Don’t just look at the gross salary, I’m not surprised that 117k is about the minimum you would want today. I don’t know how any non tech people can afford to move here and I understand the squeeze on people who are making much less. It doesn’t seem sustainable.
    - numann 8y ago
      Seeing it used as FAANG in other media makes sense to me. As an example: https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2018/06/23/most-stockmarket-returns-come-from-a-tiny-fraction-of-shares https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2018/06/23/m...

by owyn 8y ago

gnarcoregrizz 8y ago

120-160k sounds low for a senior role. kids out of college get offered 120k now for entry level roles.

Bahamut 8y ago
Only if they're working for one of the big tech companies - they almost certainly won't be making that much at a startup out of college unless they happen to be uncommonly good at negotiating/have good experience from internships. $160k is low for a true senior though. I have been making $160k base at a startup since 2.5 years into my career, and basically negotiations have been name-your-price for me. I can confirm first hand that the big tech companies pay a lot for senior engineers though - if you're any good, you can hit $250k+ pretty fast (disclaimer: I work in a FAANG currently).
- apexalpha 8y ago
  Bit Off-topic: shouldn't it be FAAMG? Or did we collectively kick Microsoft, the global OS and Office software supplier, out of the cool kids club and replace it with Netflix, a video website?
  - owyn 8y ago
    Microsoft doesn’t have much impact in the SF area. It has been around a long time before the current rent/wage inflation bubble and is based in the Seattle area which is much cheaper... Netflix is legendary for paying some of the highest salaries in the bay areas. I’ll tack this on since I didn’t think of mentioning it earlier and it’s relevant to the original post... on the low end of that range assume 10k/month in gross wages, subtract 40% in tax and another 3k in rent for a 1br apt and another 1k for car + insurance + parking + Internet + phone etc. Now you’re at about 2k left over in net income monthly. This is an expensive area. Don’t just look at the gross salary, I’m not surprised that 117k is about the minimum you would want today. I don’t know how any non tech people can afford to move here and I understand the squeeze on people who are making much less. It doesn’t seem sustainable.
  - numann 8y ago
    Seeing it used as FAANG in other media makes sense to me. As an example: https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2018/06/23/most-stockmarket-returns-come-from-a-tiny-fraction-of-shares https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2018/06/23/m...