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Fair enough, I don't understand the technical details. The posts were hidden from the frontpage, by moderators, through whatever mechanism. Why? Not as technic

Fair enough, I don't understand the technical details. The posts were hidden from the frontpage, by moderators, through whatever mechanism. Why? Not as technical question, but why was decision made to hide it? What's the argument behind doing something like that? If any users can explain why they are flagging this post, I'd be interested in knowing too. To what end, exactly?

detaro 8y ago
Users flagging affects the ranking quite drastically on its own (even before it's displayed as [flagged]), without any further moderator action. The system trusts users to do "the right thing" for this.
- horseLOGIC 8y ago
  It wasn't the user flagging that caused this, it happened from one moment to another: http://hnrankings.info/17399895/ http://hnrankings.info/17399895/ The moderators do not deny being responsible for it.
  - detaro 8y ago
    > It wasn't the user flagging that caused this, it happened from one moment to another. How can you tell? Something being flagged by users looks exactly like this. Things rise to the front page, get more attention and age slightly, a few flags come in and push down the ranking.
    - horseLOGIC 8y ago
      Again, the moderation does not deny being involved. I will concede though, I technically can't tell. However, if "a few flags" really can push an article from the front page down to page 10 within the course of five minutes I still have the following to say: 1. This system is easily abused 2. Accepting these flags on an article like this is accepting abuse, which is the purview of moderation In other words, the system is laid out to hide anything that a few users don't like to be seen and the moderation supports that tacitly. Why?
      - dang 8y ago
        Users flagged it. HN's system works this way. It works that way on both sides of most divisive issues, and each side always cries foul, bias, and help-help-I'm-being-repressed. In other news, the system is rigged, the refs hate your team, and the mods are against you. It always feels like this when one's views are passionate and a call goes the other way. This sort of eternal argument doesn't lead anywhere, and I'm not seeing much indication of good faith here, just battling for one side against another. That happens to be a continuation of just what we're asking you not to do. If you want to smite enemies, please do it someplace else.
        horseLOGIC 8y ago
        I'm glad to hear that the system indeed at least works equally badly for "both sides". It wasn't clear to me at all. I refuse your attempt at categorizing me. This isn't a battle. I don't want any "pro-SJW" content hidden from the front page either, just because a few people don't like it. That's not what user flagging is good for. My point stands: As moderators, why do you accept these bad-faith flags that have a huge impact on visibility? With this policy, you are supporting the extremists on both ends.
        dang 8y ago
        My recommendation is that you answer that question for yourself by studying what this community is and how people tend to react to stories of the kind you're advocating.
        horseLOGIC 8y ago
        My studies show that you must have a community of adult children who throw a tantrum when they encounter something they don't like, combined with a group of exhausted parent moderators who let them have their way, against better judgement. I recommend family therapy.
        dang 8y ago

detaro 8y ago

Users flagging affects the ranking quite drastically on its own (even before it's displayed as [flagged]), without any further moderator action. The system trusts users to do "the right thing" for this.

horseLOGIC 8y ago
It wasn't the user flagging that caused this, it happened from one moment to another: http://hnrankings.info/17399895/ http://hnrankings.info/17399895/ The moderators do not deny being responsible for it.
- detaro 8y ago
  > It wasn't the user flagging that caused this, it happened from one moment to another. How can you tell? Something being flagged by users looks exactly like this. Things rise to the front page, get more attention and age slightly, a few flags come in and push down the ranking.
  - horseLOGIC 8y ago
    Again, the moderation does not deny being involved. I will concede though, I technically can't tell. However, if "a few flags" really can push an article from the front page down to page 10 within the course of five minutes I still have the following to say: 1. This system is easily abused 2. Accepting these flags on an article like this is accepting abuse, which is the purview of moderation In other words, the system is laid out to hide anything that a few users don't like to be seen and the moderation supports that tacitly. Why?
    - dang 8y ago
      Users flagged it. HN's system works this way. It works that way on both sides of most divisive issues, and each side always cries foul, bias, and help-help-I'm-being-repressed. In other news, the system is rigged, the refs hate your team, and the mods are against you. It always feels like this when one's views are passionate and a call goes the other way. This sort of eternal argument doesn't lead anywhere, and I'm not seeing much indication of good faith here, just battling for one side against another. That happens to be a continuation of just what we're asking you not to do. If you want to smite enemies, please do it someplace else.
      - horseLOGIC 8y ago
        I'm glad to hear that the system indeed at least works equally badly for "both sides". It wasn't clear to me at all. I refuse your attempt at categorizing me. This isn't a battle. I don't want any "pro-SJW" content hidden from the front page either, just because a few people don't like it. That's not what user flagging is good for. My point stands: As moderators, why do you accept these bad-faith flags that have a huge impact on visibility? With this policy, you are supporting the extremists on both ends.
        dang 8y ago
        My recommendation is that you answer that question for yourself by studying what this community is and how people tend to react to stories of the kind you're advocating.
        horseLOGIC 8y ago
        My studies show that you must have a community of adult children who throw a tantrum when they encounter something they don't like, combined with a group of exhausted parent moderators who let them have their way, against better judgement. I recommend family therapy.
        dang 8y ago