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How would you answer the same question from a vegetarian? We eat meat for "fun" too, though we would be able to survive on plants. The answer is that most peop

by monort 8y ago

How would you answer the same question from a vegetarian? We eat meat for "fun" too, though we would be able to survive on plants. The answer is that most people don't care about animal suffering.

CaptainZapp 8y ago
I don't eat meat for fun. I eat meat because I like it and humans are omnivores. That said I try to reduce meat consumption and I buy as clean as possible. Organic makes sense when it comes to meat because of animal welfare and because it tastes much better. I also eat "lesser" parts and I love offal. I believe that when we kill an animal for food we should eat everything and not just the filets and entrecotes. I agree with you that mass meat production is an atrocity and one of the biggest moral human failings. There are alternatives, but they don't scale and are obviously more expensive. If factory meat becomes the only available option I'm out.
- lgessler 8y ago
  > I eat meat because I like it and humans are omnivores. The "humans are omnivores" appeal, I think you'd agree, commits the naturalistic fallacy. There are things humans can do, and you might even argue were "designed" to do, that nevertheless we condemn as wrong, like killing, stealing, and using physical abuse to have one's way. Perhaps by "humans are omnivores" you meant that it's more difficult to eat healthy without animal products, which is undoubtedly true, but nothing out of reach or even especially difficult for everyone above a certain socioeconomic status. If you agree that that part's gone, all that remains is "I like it".
- eric_h 8y ago
  > If factory meat becomes the only available option I'm out. I agree but I'd like to add a disambiguation. Factory farmed meat should be stopped, factory produced meat (i.e. with no live animals as inputs) would be pretty great.
  - CaptainZapp 8y ago
    You certainly won't get an argument from me. If we could manufacture meat without animal suffering at all that would indeed be pretty neat.

by monort 8y ago

How would you answer the same question from a vegetarian? We eat meat for "fun" too, though we would be able to survive on plants. The answer is that most people don't care about animal suffering.

CaptainZapp 8y ago

I don't eat meat for fun. I eat meat because I like it and humans are omnivores. That said I try to reduce meat consumption and I buy as clean as possible. Organic makes sense when it comes to meat because of animal welfare and because it tastes much better. I also eat "lesser" parts and I love offal. I believe that when we kill an animal for food we should eat everything and not just the filets and entrecotes. I agree with you that mass meat production is an atrocity and one of the biggest moral human failings. There are alternatives, but they don't scale and are obviously more expensive. If factory meat becomes the only available option I'm out.

lgessler 8y ago
> I eat meat because I like it and humans are omnivores. The "humans are omnivores" appeal, I think you'd agree, commits the naturalistic fallacy. There are things humans can do, and you might even argue were "designed" to do, that nevertheless we condemn as wrong, like killing, stealing, and using physical abuse to have one's way. Perhaps by "humans are omnivores" you meant that it's more difficult to eat healthy without animal products, which is undoubtedly true, but nothing out of reach or even especially difficult for everyone above a certain socioeconomic status. If you agree that that part's gone, all that remains is "I like it".
eric_h 8y ago
> If factory meat becomes the only available option I'm out. I agree but I'd like to add a disambiguation. Factory farmed meat should be stopped, factory produced meat (i.e. with no live animals as inputs) would be pretty great.
- CaptainZapp 8y ago
  You certainly won't get an argument from me. If we could manufacture meat without animal suffering at all that would indeed be pretty neat.