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Way back in the day, I had a reinsurance company as a client. For those unfamiliar, reinsurance companies insure insurance companies. For example, they might i
by braythwayt 8y ago
Way back in the day, I had a reinsurance company as a client. For those unfamiliar, reinsurance companies insure insurance companies.
For example, they might insure a standard insurance company for automobile accidents, with a $1,000,000 deductible. So the retail insurance company handles payouts up to a million dollars, but when there's a really wild claim, the reinsurance company pays the insurance company for anything over a million.
They end up specializing in rare events that involve large payouts, so they also did things like the hole-in-one insurance you mention above, very common with charity gold tournaments.
They had many stories to tell, including the fellow who played a lot of golf and collected three hole-in-one payouts, and another story about a truck that went off a mountain road, slid down and blocked train tracks, causing a train derailment, with a town below the train that needed to be evacuated.
- Zetaphor 8y agoWho insures the reinsurance company?
- ohyes 8y agoIt’s reinsurance companies all the way down.
- TimTheTinker 8y agoTheir names eventually converge toward variants of "Turtle Insurance".
- stickfigure 8y ago...and "Department Of The Treasury"
- kolpa 8y ago... the US taxpayer
- guelo 8y agoactually ...our grandkids. since baby boomers keep voting for deficit-financed tax cuts.
- TimTheTinker 8y agoTurtles all the way into the future? :-/
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- jon-wood 8y agoBizarrely it’s sometimes another division of the same reinsurance company. I work for an insurer and got talking with one of our pricing guys who told me about a case where one of the big multinationals had one division which was way under it’s predicted claims volume for the year, and another that was over. To rebalance the risk the US division ended up insuring the EU division. Another story that night was about a reinsurer that through several departments taking on different risks ended up on the hook for a dockyard which caught fire catastrophically. And all the goods in that dockyard. And the boat which started the fire. That evening led to my drunken catchphrase: “fucking insurance”, said ever more enthusiastically.
- btilly 8y agoBerkshire Hathaway. Per https://www.reuters.com/article/us-berkshire-buffett-insurance/buffett-says-berkshire-can-handle-400-billion-mega-catastrophe-idUSKCN1G80RA https://www.reuters.com/article/us-berkshire-buffett-insuran..., they are planning for handling a potential $400 billion catastrophe.
- kolpa 8y agoThe article sort of implies but is unclear. Berkshire's General Re does reinsurance, not re-"reinsurance". Is there a recursive step -- Could General Re face a claim that it needs to leans on the rest of Berkshire to pay? The article says its insurance companies face a 2 percent chance of being "$12 billion" insolvent, which Berkshire could cover from non-insurance profits. But would that still be true if the claims came in, or would the non-insurance companies also have correlated down years? I suppose Berkshire Hathaway is big enough that if it came down to it, it could liquidate equity ($500B minus devaluation due to whatever catastrophe) to make good on claims.
- ggg9990 8y agoNo way that Berkshire pays a $500b claim. They would find a way to stick the US taxpayer with the bill as many smaller companies have done before them.
- blang 8y agoYup: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_for_a_Billion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Play_for_a_Billion
- kozikow 8y agoIt eventually ends on a reinsurance company that can shoulder insane amounts of risk, e.g. Munich Re, Berkshire Hathaway, Swiss Re etc.
- lostlogin 8y agoThey are doing it wrong - socialise that risk. Here in New Zealand when a big insurer has something bad happen (eg an earthquake flattens a big city) you get bailed out by the government. Departing staff still got big payouts in that era too, so it doesn’t seem to impose any stringent criteria on companies too. AMI specifically. Sarcasm aplenty in this comment.
- simonbyrne 8y agoEven reinsurance has limits, and large earthquakes on major metropolitan centres are basically the one thing that will exceed them (floods can be bad too, but the risks are more predictable, and are often excluded from policies in high-risk areas). The only alternative to the "government backstop" is that insurers will refuse to write policies or will exclude earthquake risk (in which case the government may need to set up it's own scheme, e.g. in CEA insurance in California).
- Max_aaa 8y agoNZ does have the EQC. https://www.eqc.govt.nz/ https://www.eqc.govt.nz/
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- InvisibleCities 8y agoReinsurance funds typically market themselves as a source of alpha for large institutional investors. The reinsurance company sells bonds that promise a relatively high rate of return, with the caveat that in the event that the fund needs to pay out a large claim, the value of the bond may be nullified.
- VectorLock 8y agoWow I'd love to hear some of those stories. What a largely unknown, esoteric and hugely interesting industry.
- braythwayt 8y agoThey used to talk about anti-selection (a/k/a "adverse selection"). For example, if a retail insurer has no reinsurance, it has to incorporate both the probability of claims and the distribution of payout sizes. But if they have reinsurance, the payouts are 'clipped' at their deductible. This means that they have an incentive to take on clients that are less likely to have any sort of accident, even if when they do have an accident, it has catastrophic consequences. This means that a reinsurance company cannot rely on the overall statistics for claims, because the insurance companies that buy reinsurance price their products with reinsurance in mind. The people unlikely to run into massive claims will end up in pools where the retail insurance company doesn't buy reinsurance. So they have to carefully price the reinsurance to account for the fact that the insurance company is packaging their most reinsurance-sensitive pool of customers together.
- VectorLock 8y agoThat was not the kind of story I was expecting but was far more interesting. Thanks for sharing.
- acct1771 8y agoYou just described the finance industry as well. You can save yourself a lot of adjectives by saying "dirty".