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Has this been silently hidden from the front page? I saw it on the front page, switched computers and now can't find it listed anywhere.

horseLOGIC 8y ago
Yes it has.
yalue 8y ago
Looks like it, yes. Just refreshed the front page in the past ~30 seconds. This got dozens of new comments in that time frame, but the link is no longer present at all.
taxonomy 8y ago
This article was on the front page when I first discovered it 10 minutes ago. Now it's not even in the first five pages.
makepanic 8y ago
See http://hnrankings.info/17399895/ http://hnrankings.info/17399895/ for a history of this submission rank.
stillkicking 8y ago
This happens every time when a post or thread exposes the social justice orthodoxy for the pernicious and self-centered bullies that they are. The original announcement about Rafael leaving LLVM was flagged off the front page too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16982837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16982837 Remember LambdaConf? Those posts also ended up several hundred items off the front-page, without being visibly flagged. https://archive.is/iI5NA https://archive.is/iI5NA HN maintains plausible deniability and claims that it wants to keep ideological warfare and flamewars out, but the pattern is too obvious for that to be believable, because only one side of the argument consistently gets flagged away.
- sctb 8y ago
  This story was flagged by users and received a mild penalty for being a follow-up post (to the original announcement to which you've linked) without significant new information. Everyone sees the pattern that represents the “other side” as having an unfair and total advantage. From where we sit, it's an obvious bias that perpetuates this kind of indignant sense of persecution which leaks meta all over the discussions—except it's even-steven. How can a site be both a Church of SJWs and an alt-right shithole? Your lead moderator on the subject recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15310213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15310213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14913312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14913312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14539802 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14539802 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14284053 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14284053
  - belorn 8y ago
    I see this claim from HN moderators from time to time that "both sides" get same treatment, but I can't recall a single time where this kind of article stayed in the front page, or forbid, had flagging turned off. Anecdotal, but it is the observed pattern that I have seen. It would be lovely if someday you all made a statistic summery of how often moderation action is made on gender equality articles, "which side" the article is on, and what the moderation action was. A nice intern project that would at minimum give some data on the subject. I suspect that it is partial possible to do from the outside using the API, and I have been tempted to do a bit of casual dig into how often dang comments his moderation with "I understand" or "I get what you ..." vs a more aggressive "do not do this again" or "you will get banned". It would naturally just measure the tone, but would again give some insight in how the moderation is spread on both sides.
    - dang 8y ago
      The problem with publishing data on all that is that it wouldn't convince any of the people who care strongly about this either way. All it would do is pour fuel on the flamewars. I say this with high confidence based on past experiences.

horseLOGIC 8y ago

Yes it has.

yalue 8y ago

Looks like it, yes. Just refreshed the front page in the past ~30 seconds. This got dozens of new comments in that time frame, but the link is no longer present at all.

taxonomy 8y ago

This article was on the front page when I first discovered it 10 minutes ago. Now it's not even in the first five pages.

makepanic 8y ago

See http://hnrankings.info/17399895/ http://hnrankings.info/17399895/ for a history of this submission rank.

stillkicking 8y ago

This happens every time when a post or thread exposes the social justice orthodoxy for the pernicious and self-centered bullies that they are. The original announcement about Rafael leaving LLVM was flagged off the front page too: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16982837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16982837 Remember LambdaConf? Those posts also ended up several hundred items off the front-page, without being visibly flagged. https://archive.is/iI5NA https://archive.is/iI5NA HN maintains plausible deniability and claims that it wants to keep ideological warfare and flamewars out, but the pattern is too obvious for that to be believable, because only one side of the argument consistently gets flagged away.

sctb 8y ago
This story was flagged by users and received a mild penalty for being a follow-up post (to the original announcement to which you've linked) without significant new information. Everyone sees the pattern that represents the “other side” as having an unfair and total advantage. From where we sit, it's an obvious bias that perpetuates this kind of indignant sense of persecution which leaks meta all over the discussions—except it's even-steven. How can a site be both a Church of SJWs and an alt-right shithole? Your lead moderator on the subject recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15310213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15310213 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14913312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14913312 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14539802 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14539802 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14284053 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14284053
- belorn 8y ago
  I see this claim from HN moderators from time to time that "both sides" get same treatment, but I can't recall a single time where this kind of article stayed in the front page, or forbid, had flagging turned off. Anecdotal, but it is the observed pattern that I have seen. It would be lovely if someday you all made a statistic summery of how often moderation action is made on gender equality articles, "which side" the article is on, and what the moderation action was. A nice intern project that would at minimum give some data on the subject. I suspect that it is partial possible to do from the outside using the API, and I have been tempted to do a bit of casual dig into how often dang comments his moderation with "I understand" or "I get what you ..." vs a more aggressive "do not do this again" or "you will get banned". It would naturally just measure the tone, but would again give some insight in how the moderation is spread on both sides.
  - dang 8y ago
    The problem with publishing data on all that is that it wouldn't convince any of the people who care strongly about this either way. All it would do is pour fuel on the flamewars. I say this with high confidence based on past experiences.