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But how common is it actually to pretend to be a gender you are not for something like this? Displaying yourself as trans brings huge social opprobrium in most

by nooron 8y ago

But how common is it actually to pretend to be a gender you are not for something like this? Displaying yourself as trans brings huge social opprobrium in most places. I can’t imagine anyone I know pretending to be a trans woman to get a job. Do you have any evidence this is a common problem?

rainbowmverse 8y ago
Someone willing to take on the stigma and dangers for an opportunity instead of go for one of the already abundant opportunities available for them may not be entirely cis anyway.
- horseLOGIC 8y ago
  There's actually not that many opportunities for internships on C/C++ compilers. I mean, maybe the GCC people will take you, but... yeah.
  - jonhendry18 8y ago
    "There's actually not that many opportunities for internships on C/C++ compilers." It seems like there are a lot of llvm-related projects outside of llvm itself, which might mean there are C/C++ compiler-adjacent internships out there.
- mantas 8y ago
  Lying for the sake of getting $$$ is OK in many parts of the world. Especially if you stick it up a dumb fat westerners'. Source: born & raised in (ex-)USSR
prepend 8y ago
I suppose I’m fortunate that displaying oneself as trans in my country and state (US south) does not bring huge social opprobrium. Interestingly, you’d be surprised who is trans and who is cis as it’s not like people have a sign over their head “I’m trans opprobriate me.” So, in my city at least, it would be as simple as checking a box identifying as trans and no social stigma would even be possible. Unless the potential employer “outed” the applicant somehow. But that seems not only unethical but illegal (again, at least in my state). Since I live in a prett backwoods area, I assume there are many other areas that are much better.
- rainbowmverse 8y ago
  The south is weird like this. Some places it's great, some places you'd never know it was further in the future than 1959.
  - horseLOGIC 8y ago
    To be fair, in many rural places you don't want to fall out of the norm on any spectrum and there's no opportunity for practically anything. That's why you move out.
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beaconstudios 8y ago
You don't have to display as a gender in order to identify as it though. Supposedly gender is about self-identification now, not outward characteristics, so if LLVM are up on the progressive playbook they know they can't reject you for not "passing" as female if you claim to identify as female.
horseLOGIC 8y ago
> But how common is it actually to pretend to be a gender you are not for something like this? Who says it's a problem? It's not up to anyone else to judge my motivation for changing my gender. If I want to change my gender for 10% discount on a pair of sneakers, that should be my right. Otherwise, where do you draw the line and how do you verify it?
Joeboy 8y ago
Not very common. But if people incentivize it it's obviously going to become more common. Vaguely relevant recent events: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/22/mexico-elections-fake-transgender-candidates-disqualified https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/22/mexico-electio... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/23/two-heterosexual-irish-men-marry-to-avoid-inheritance-tax-on-house https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/23/two-heterosexu... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/labour-allows-male-activist-stand-womens-officer-identifies/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/labour-allows-ma...

by nooron 8y ago

rainbowmverse 8y ago

Someone willing to take on the stigma and dangers for an opportunity instead of go for one of the already abundant opportunities available for them may not be entirely cis anyway.

horseLOGIC 8y ago
There's actually not that many opportunities for internships on C/C++ compilers. I mean, maybe the GCC people will take you, but... yeah.
- jonhendry18 8y ago
  "There's actually not that many opportunities for internships on C/C++ compilers." It seems like there are a lot of llvm-related projects outside of llvm itself, which might mean there are C/C++ compiler-adjacent internships out there.
mantas 8y ago
Lying for the sake of getting $$$ is OK in many parts of the world. Especially if you stick it up a dumb fat westerners'. Source: born & raised in (ex-)USSR

prepend 8y ago

I suppose I’m fortunate that displaying oneself as trans in my country and state (US south) does not bring huge social opprobrium. Interestingly, you’d be surprised who is trans and who is cis as it’s not like people have a sign over their head “I’m trans opprobriate me.” So, in my city at least, it would be as simple as checking a box identifying as trans and no social stigma would even be possible. Unless the potential employer “outed” the applicant somehow. But that seems not only unethical but illegal (again, at least in my state). Since I live in a prett backwoods area, I assume there are many other areas that are much better.

rainbowmverse 8y ago
The south is weird like this. Some places it's great, some places you'd never know it was further in the future than 1959.
- horseLOGIC 8y ago
  To be fair, in many rural places you don't want to fall out of the norm on any spectrum and there's no opportunity for practically anything. That's why you move out.
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beaconstudios 8y ago

You don't have to display as a gender in order to identify as it though. Supposedly gender is about self-identification now, not outward characteristics, so if LLVM are up on the progressive playbook they know they can't reject you for not "passing" as female if you claim to identify as female.

horseLOGIC 8y ago

> But how common is it actually to pretend to be a gender you are not for something like this? Who says it's a problem? It's not up to anyone else to judge my motivation for changing my gender. If I want to change my gender for 10% discount on a pair of sneakers, that should be my right. Otherwise, where do you draw the line and how do you verify it?

Joeboy 8y ago

Not very common. But if people incentivize it it's obviously going to become more common. Vaguely relevant recent events: https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/22/mexico-elections-fake-transgender-candidates-disqualified https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/22/mexico-electio... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/23/two-heterosexual-irish-men-marry-to-avoid-inheritance-tax-on-house https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/23/two-heterosexu... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/labour-allows-male-activist-stand-womens-officer-identifies/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/22/labour-allows-ma...