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I think the internet is helping change how hedge funds are started and people are hired, possibly for the better. I'll give a couple observations: 1. It's bec
by jakarta 16y ago
I think the internet is helping change how hedge funds are started and people are hired, possibly for the better.
I'll give a couple observations:
1. It's becoming easier to find people with good track records.
No, I am not talking about KaChing or Covestor. There are actually two sites that exist where you can apply for entry. They are heavily populated by people who already work at hedge funds, so the process is pretty rigorous. One is SumZero operated by Divya Narendra (the guy who sued Zuckerberg), the other is VIC run by Joel Greenblatt (runs Gotham Capital, professor at Columbia).
In these sites, you post investment ideas which are then rated by the community. Because the community consists mostly of hedge fund analysts, it is pretty tough to get a good rating. But for those that do, it becomes easier to get jobs or raise capital. Greenblatt in particular uses his site to identify talent and in the past has seeded members (Michael Burry is one of them). In general, the sites help in networking which is the key (IMO) to landing a HF job or raising capital.
2. Blogs and an online presence are helping connect inexperienced students of investing with hedge fund managers/wealthy people.
I know a few people who started blogs where they posted investment ideas and news, and then went on to use their online presence to network in real life.
One of these people attracted $1M in seed funding from a well known investor, who then would routinely introduce him to other businessmen/wealthy individuals and helped raise capital. This was a kid that managed to start a $15M fund straight out of undergrad. A couple of others followed a similar path. Started a blog > used it to network > wrote and published books > networked some more and eventually raised capital to start small funds.
I also think some of the barriers to entry in the HF biz are coming down, a little bit. I had 3 interviews last week that all came as a result of having an investment blog. It's interesting because most of the people at these firms have had years of experience working at investment banks and graduated from ivy league schools (both of which I lack).
3. It's becoming easier to market yourself/your fund.
I see a lot of young/new fund managers offer to do interviews for blogs where they go into their investment process and how they think about markets, plus a few past and current ideas. These interviews work as wonderful marketing tools.
Some funds will also leak their investment letters to bloggers which will contain all sorts of returns data and more about their process. This is kind of a sketchy area because you really are not supposed to be advertising returns to the public. Usually what happens is, the letters stay up for a while and then are taken down after a period of time.
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Now, the people I've seen that take this path generally start small funds in the single to double digit millions. They all have offices they rent and they take a very small personal salary. But after a year or two of good returns, it's been pretty easy for them to scale up. One has went from $5M in AUM to $50M in just a few years.
- wheaties 16y agoWhat interesting little tid-bits you've dropped in this comment. I wonder, could you follow up with a more full-fledged article? I don't see your blog linked to your account on here but I'd love to read something like this.
- jakarta 16y agoIf you have any questions feel free to ask them here and I'll try to answer to the best of my abilities.
- wheaties 16y agoSo when you talk about the ideas posted to these sites are they the type of ideas that would fall under trading or are they more of the idea that would fall under core concepts for a fund? Like anyone who hangs around HN I've got ideas for companies but I've also got ideas involving frameworks for the start-up industry much like a VC, neither of which are trades. Is this the kind of site to bounce off conceptual ideas?
- jakarta 16y agoFor these sites, when I refer to ideas I mean investment ideas. These are straight up write ups on why you should invest in Company X or Y. VIC recently added a discussion forum which leads to a bit of discussion on things that are maybe more conceptual, where you can ask questions and get advice. SumZero has a private messaging system and I think it leads to a lot of contact between members privately, which enables people to find peers to seek advice from as well. Each member has a profile, so the profiles will tell you how long people have been in the business, who they previously worked for, what their areas of expertise are - that sort of thing.
- DevX101 16y agoWhat's your blog?
- conorh 16y agoI'm the technical guy behind SumZero and I'd have to say that your comments are spot on. It can be very difficult to get a good rating on the site, those ideas that do tend to be exceptional and get a significant amount of attention.