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Doesn’t paper bags literally mean demand for more papers and consequently more jungle would be destroyed?

by 0xFFC 8y ago

thomaslangston 8y ago
It is my understanding that paper isn't made from jungle tree species. An increased demand for paper would lead to an increase in tree farms in temperate climates, not tropical.
ainiriand 8y ago
Not really, new paper is mostly produced from recycled paper. What destroys the jungle is deforestation to create farmlands.
- TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
  I didn't down vote you. Just want to point out that deforestation to create farmlands also includes tree plantations. Tree farms, as it were. I live in Tasmania, which is notorious for chopping down old-growth forest, wood chip it mostly for paper products, and replace it with plantation timber.
  - ainiriand 8y ago
    It happened also in my homeland: Cantabria. I just think that the need for paper is mostly replaced by recycled paper, at least in theory.
ciex 8y ago
I was about to write that certified timber has a great sustainability record. You can recycle all of it and when it regrows it does so by pulling carbon from the atmosphere. But when I read the WP article [1] on sustainability of paper I saw that the actual problem seems not to be in the wood used, but in other pollutants released into nature when producing paper. [1]: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_paper https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_paper
Arnt 8y ago
No. Paper bags don't add up to much. The Indians use vast numbers of small bags. I weighed a paper bag I got some fruit in just now, 7g. Divide by x to compensate for realistic recycling. A tree weighs several million grams. Not all of it becomes paper, but still, one tree is a lot of 7g bags. Adding to that: Once the paper is burned or rots, the route back to a new tree is fairly short. Not like plastic, which forms new oil in fifty million years.
- thewhitetulip 8y ago
  On top of that, these days paper isn't manufactured by cutting down forests we have more eco friendly ways of manufacturing paper, in and out of India
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Doesn’t paper bags literally mean demand for more papers and consequently more jungle would be destroyed?

by 0xFFC 8y ago

Doesn’t paper bags literally mean demand for more papers and consequently more jungle would be destroyed?

It is my understanding that paper isn't made from jungle tree species. An increased demand for paper would lead to an increase in tree farms in temperate climates, not tropical.

ainiriand 8y ago

Not really, new paper is mostly produced from recycled paper. What destroys the jungle is deforestation to create farmlands.

TheSpiceIsLife 8y ago
I didn't down vote you. Just want to point out that deforestation to create farmlands also includes tree plantations. Tree farms, as it were. I live in Tasmania, which is notorious for chopping down old-growth forest, wood chip it mostly for paper products, and replace it with plantation timber.
- ainiriand 8y ago
  It happened also in my homeland: Cantabria. I just think that the need for paper is mostly replaced by recycled paper, at least in theory.

ciex 8y ago

I was about to write that certified timber has a great sustainability record. You can recycle all of it and when it regrows it does so by pulling carbon from the atmosphere. But when I read the WP article [1] on sustainability of paper I saw that the actual problem seems not to be in the wood used, but in other pollutants released into nature when producing paper. [1]: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_paper https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_paper

Arnt 8y ago

No. Paper bags don't add up to much. The Indians use vast numbers of small bags. I weighed a paper bag I got some fruit in just now, 7g. Divide by x to compensate for realistic recycling. A tree weighs several million grams. Not all of it becomes paper, but still, one tree is a lot of 7g bags. Adding to that: Once the paper is burned or rots, the route back to a new tree is fairly short. Not like plastic, which forms new oil in fifty million years.

thewhitetulip 8y ago
On top of that, these days paper isn't manufactured by cutting down forests we have more eco friendly ways of manufacturing paper, in and out of India
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