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What the punishment/outcome for ditching a plane? Is there a mandatory court-martial held like when a ship is lost?

cyberferret 8y ago
In the armed forces, there is usually a hearing to find out the cause/reason. If it is due to pilot error, then I think demotion or transfer to non flying duties is usually the punishment. Although I remember many years ago when a RAAF Macchi jet crashed here during a training exercise. It was found that pilot error was the cause of the incident, and the instructor & student I believe lost their flying status, but there was a concerted campaign by a old lady in the city where the crew were based to get them to pay for the lost jet via garnishing their wages. I don't think she got her wish.
- anaganisk 8y ago
  Whh...what? How the heck are they gonna pay gor a multi billion dollar jet? Wretched old lady.
  - cyberferret 8y ago
    Well, to be fair, this was back in the 70's or 80's, and the little Macchi back then would have had a 'fly away' price from the lot at probably about $1million - but still, more than a lifetime's wages back in the day, even for an Air Force flight instructor! :D
  - breischl 8y ago
    Multi-billion is a bit high, even for modern planes. You basically have to crash a B-2 bomber to get there. Which has, of course, been done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit#Accidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit#Ac...
    - vonseel 8y ago
      Incredibly expensive plane to put in the air. Recent ISIS fighting article claimed 100 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight.
      - hatedWhenRight 8y ago
        Oh, I dunno. I bet it's possible to fabricate an airworthy airframe of identical external appearance, and power it with cheap engines that are permit the same capablities of subsonic speeds, for much cheaper. But, it obviously couldn't fly in a warzone. It'd be missing all of its expensive radar absorbing material, valious fly-by-wire avionics and electronic countermeasures, it'd be hot on thermal imaging, very loud and noisy, and it couldn't haul half of a B-52's armament and payload, and it'd probably lack the range and durability of a military war plane. But. You could do fly-bys at air shows, and everyone would be just as impressed. I have to figure, it might be possible to put something that looks (and maybe, in an engine-out glide, sounds) like a B-2 in the air for on ten-thousandth of the cost. So maybe, with budget of 20 legit bombers, you could manufacture 200,000 defective twins with the same visual impact?
oldcynic 8y ago
You get the free Martin Baker Tie and pin[0]. You probably get classed unfit to fly until medical exam. If you were flying one of the 60s fast jets you may lose a kneecap on the way out. Then you get the enquiry/court martial. [0] http://martin-baker.com/ejection-tie-club/ http://martin-baker.com/ejection-tie-club/
- King-Aaron 8y ago
  That Bremont watch they talk about on the page is a lovely looking bit of kit!
  - dole 8y ago
    Love the use of the OCR-B font on a flieger-style like this.

In the armed forces, there is usually a hearing to find out the cause/reason. If it is due to pilot error, then I think demotion or transfer to non flying duties is usually the punishment. Although I remember many years ago when a RAAF Macchi jet crashed here during a training exercise. It was found that pilot error was the cause of the incident, and the instructor & student I believe lost their flying status, but there was a concerted campaign by a old lady in the city where the crew were based to get them to pay for the lost jet via garnishing their wages. I don't think she got her wish.

anaganisk 8y ago
Whh...what? How the heck are they gonna pay gor a multi billion dollar jet? Wretched old lady.
- cyberferret 8y ago
  Well, to be fair, this was back in the 70's or 80's, and the little Macchi back then would have had a 'fly away' price from the lot at probably about $1million - but still, more than a lifetime's wages back in the day, even for an Air Force flight instructor! :D
- breischl 8y ago
  Multi-billion is a bit high, even for modern planes. You basically have to crash a B-2 bomber to get there. Which has, of course, been done. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit#Accidents https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Grumman_B-2_Spirit#Ac...
  - vonseel 8y ago
    Incredibly expensive plane to put in the air. Recent ISIS fighting article claimed 100 hours of maintenance for every hour of flight.
    - hatedWhenRight 8y ago
      Oh, I dunno. I bet it's possible to fabricate an airworthy airframe of identical external appearance, and power it with cheap engines that are permit the same capablities of subsonic speeds, for much cheaper. But, it obviously couldn't fly in a warzone. It'd be missing all of its expensive radar absorbing material, valious fly-by-wire avionics and electronic countermeasures, it'd be hot on thermal imaging, very loud and noisy, and it couldn't haul half of a B-52's armament and payload, and it'd probably lack the range and durability of a military war plane. But. You could do fly-bys at air shows, and everyone would be just as impressed. I have to figure, it might be possible to put something that looks (and maybe, in an engine-out glide, sounds) like a B-2 in the air for on ten-thousandth of the cost. So maybe, with budget of 20 legit bombers, you could manufacture 200,000 defective twins with the same visual impact?

oldcynic 8y ago

You get the free Martin Baker Tie and pin[0]. You probably get classed unfit to fly until medical exam. If you were flying one of the 60s fast jets you may lose a kneecap on the way out. Then you get the enquiry/court martial. [0] http://martin-baker.com/ejection-tie-club/ http://martin-baker.com/ejection-tie-club/

King-Aaron 8y ago
That Bremont watch they talk about on the page is a lovely looking bit of kit!
- dole 8y ago
  Love the use of the OCR-B font on a flieger-style like this.