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That seems pretty unfair to the people that care about you. They might not even be family or close friends, but might be acquaintances, distant co-workers, or p

That seems pretty unfair to the people that care about you. They might not even be family or close friends, but might be acquaintances, distant co-workers, or people you see on the street. They get happiness out of interacting with you and having you with them. It doesn't seem right to take that away from them. It sounds like you might be in a bad place mentally. I'm sure that it wouldn't hurt to talk to a professional. Worst case, you spend an hour or two and maybe a co-pay and still feel the same way you do now. Best case they may make every day a little bit more bearable.

hsienmaneja 8y ago
Thankfully I’ve never procreated. Imagine being trapped in an unwanted life, wanting to die, but staying alive because it is “right” for others. Some simply want to be dead, not seek medical help. The arrangement of western life, however, is that one is expected to “seek help” when they’ve decided to pack it in.
- jklein11 8y ago
  Not sure how the procreation part is relevant. You are part of society and many communities whether you like it or not. I guess I don't understand how life is wanted/unwanted. I have no concept of what it is like to not have life, so how could I possibly prefer it? I think because I can't rationalize it makes me think that something else might be at play. At the end of the day seeking medical help has very little downside even if it isn't helpful. Not seeking medical help when it could have been helpful seems like it has a tremendous amount of downside with very little upside.
  - hsienmaneja 8y ago
    Procreation is relevant not due to the responsibility aspect (which may change things), but because I wouldn’t want to have brought an unwanted life into existence. I don’t prefer death to life, i just don’t want to be alive. No clue what death may be like. Could be infinitely horrible or the opposite.
paulcole 8y ago
Honestly, lots of things are unfair. That’s not a great argument. But I would never do anything while my cat, dad, and grandma are still alive. My partner would understand my decision. Other than that there’s not really anybody else I care enough about to change my life for. I already spend enough on medicine and doctors. I’m not interested in any more.
- jklein11 8y ago
  Sorry, I wasn't trying to convince you of anything, just share my opinion. Out of curiosity, what makes you think that your partner would understand? In regards to spending enough on medicine and doctors, I guess I don't fully understand that. You mention blowing through your money at some point. Any reason why this wouldn't be something worth blowing money on?
  - paulcole 8y ago
    I just think that logically it makes sense that someone can not want to live any longer and I think my partner would understand that. With my health there’s always a non-zero chance that I’ll just collapse on a long run from low blood sugar and that’ll be that. I figure if it happens it happens. My savings is mostly intended for my partner and my cat in that situation. Not interested in giving it to anyone else. And it’s not like it’s a ton either. Would get eaten up in a hurry by doctors and prescriptions. One day when I’m older and the future is a little clearer, maybe I’ll be more interested in spending more of it or giving some away to other people.
Vaskivo 8y ago
What about sports? Radical sports? Travelling? Driving a car? Should I stop doing that because it may hurt or kill me and, by consequence, hurt people who care about me? Caring about a person comes with the risk of being hurt. I think it's equally selfish to expect people not to do stuff that may hurt you.
- jklein11 8y ago
  I can understand taking risks with radical sports, traveling, etc. Someone can weight the benefits (ie adrenaline rush, sense of accomplishment, etc) against the risk of losing their life. I can't understand why someone in good health (mental and physical) would choose to end their own life. In weighing the benefits of having life vs the benefits of not having death i don't see how someone would choose the latter over the former.

hsienmaneja 8y ago

Thankfully I’ve never procreated. Imagine being trapped in an unwanted life, wanting to die, but staying alive because it is “right” for others. Some simply want to be dead, not seek medical help. The arrangement of western life, however, is that one is expected to “seek help” when they’ve decided to pack it in.

jklein11 8y ago
Not sure how the procreation part is relevant. You are part of society and many communities whether you like it or not. I guess I don't understand how life is wanted/unwanted. I have no concept of what it is like to not have life, so how could I possibly prefer it? I think because I can't rationalize it makes me think that something else might be at play. At the end of the day seeking medical help has very little downside even if it isn't helpful. Not seeking medical help when it could have been helpful seems like it has a tremendous amount of downside with very little upside.
- hsienmaneja 8y ago
  Procreation is relevant not due to the responsibility aspect (which may change things), but because I wouldn’t want to have brought an unwanted life into existence. I don’t prefer death to life, i just don’t want to be alive. No clue what death may be like. Could be infinitely horrible or the opposite.

paulcole 8y ago

Honestly, lots of things are unfair. That’s not a great argument. But I would never do anything while my cat, dad, and grandma are still alive. My partner would understand my decision. Other than that there’s not really anybody else I care enough about to change my life for. I already spend enough on medicine and doctors. I’m not interested in any more.

jklein11 8y ago
Sorry, I wasn't trying to convince you of anything, just share my opinion. Out of curiosity, what makes you think that your partner would understand? In regards to spending enough on medicine and doctors, I guess I don't fully understand that. You mention blowing through your money at some point. Any reason why this wouldn't be something worth blowing money on?
- paulcole 8y ago
  I just think that logically it makes sense that someone can not want to live any longer and I think my partner would understand that. With my health there’s always a non-zero chance that I’ll just collapse on a long run from low blood sugar and that’ll be that. I figure if it happens it happens. My savings is mostly intended for my partner and my cat in that situation. Not interested in giving it to anyone else. And it’s not like it’s a ton either. Would get eaten up in a hurry by doctors and prescriptions. One day when I’m older and the future is a little clearer, maybe I’ll be more interested in spending more of it or giving some away to other people.

Vaskivo 8y ago

What about sports? Radical sports? Travelling? Driving a car? Should I stop doing that because it may hurt or kill me and, by consequence, hurt people who care about me? Caring about a person comes with the risk of being hurt. I think it's equally selfish to expect people not to do stuff that may hurt you.

jklein11 8y ago
I can understand taking risks with radical sports, traveling, etc. Someone can weight the benefits (ie adrenaline rush, sense of accomplishment, etc) against the risk of losing their life. I can't understand why someone in good health (mental and physical) would choose to end their own life. In weighing the benefits of having life vs the benefits of not having death i don't see how someone would choose the latter over the former.