4 ms·
I'm calling it now: 6-3. Thomas, Roberts, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan in the six. Thomas has made his position clear about this in the past, Roberts
by balozi 8y ago
I'm calling it now: 6-3.
Thomas, Roberts, Ginsburg, Breyer, Sotomayor and Kagan in the six.
Thomas has made his position clear about this in the past, Roberts sensibilities are often libertarian, and the others are liberals.
- briandear 8y agoHowever, liberals upheld forfeiture in United States v. Ursery, 1996. The only dissent in that case was Stevens.
- 0xcde4c3db 8y agoI'm not familiar with Ursery and have only skimmed a few sources, but I saw nothing suggesting that the legality of civil forfeiture per se was even disputed in that case. If I read Stevens's dissent correctly, it challenges only the constitutionality of one of the involved criminal cases, arguing that because the previously seized property did not represent proceeds of a crime, the perpetrator had a legitimate property right of which the government had deprived him. Therefore, the forfeiture already served as a punishment for the crime, so double jeopardy precludes a subsequent criminal trial on the same offense. I'd be interested in knowing if I'm missing something important here.
- conanbatt 8y agoWouldn't liberals be pro-forfeiture?
- GavinMcG 8y agoNo? "Liberal" doesn't mean "pro-government". What definition are you using that suggests they would?
- cuckcuckspruce 8y agoThe colloquial definition used by most of the US citizenry and on television news programs on both 24-hour cable networks and broadcast television. That doesn't make that definition correct...
- Sohcahtoa82 8y ago> The colloquial definition used by most of the US citizenry and on television news programs on both 24-hour cable networks and broadcast television. Could you be more specific?
- conanbatt 8y agoFiscally liberal, socially liberal.
- cuckcuckspruce 8y ago'Liberal' in the US is associated with the expansion of the welfare state, preferring having government solve all social problems, and abridging individual freedoms if the greater good is served.
- asdsa5325 8y agoAnd what does that have to do with forfeiture?
- conanbatt 8y agoAre conservatives pro-government?
- Sohcahtoa82 8y agoDefine "pro-government".
- elygre 8y agoWhy would they?
- RIMR 8y agoNo, because Liberals care about the entire Constitution, not just the second amendment.
- conanbatt 8y agoAll justices are constitutional, thats their job.
- asdsa5325 8y agoWhy do you say that?
- Sohcahtoa82 8y agoNo...you're thinking of conservatives which tend to lean more authoritarian than liberals.
- larkeith 8y agoYou may be conflating liberal (those who agree with the political ideology) with liberal (used inaccurately to describe supporters of the Democratic Party), though I doubt you would find significant support for civil forfeiture among either group.