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> guaranteed basic income (only for citizens) Unsustainable because their children are automatically citizens. You are merely postponing the problem for some 2

by gspetr 8y ago

> guaranteed basic income (only for citizens) Unsustainable because their children are automatically citizens. You are merely postponing the problem for some 20 years at most.

gremlinsinc 8y ago
When they get their own household, they can start collecting gbi, by then hopefully they go to school, and start contributing to society. They will still be paying taxes though regardless, and their parents will still be paying immigrant level taxes, so they would've paid their fair share so their kids could have a better life, that extra income to taxes makes up for a lot. Either way, doctors, lawyers, delivery drivers, truck drivers, and 40% of other jobs will go away, replaced by AI. So, something has to fill the void to make it so people don't riot. GBI is the only thing that could possibly do that, unless you have a better solution. Instead of saying 'that won't work' I'd like to see you say, that's not sustainable, how about we do 'this' instead and offer up a suggestion that will work.
- gspetr 8y ago
  So what's stopping poor trailer park whites (at least a significant portion of which have been poor for generations) to become "contributors to society"? Why do you think illegal/undocumented migrants would do better than those supposedly born into privilege? Why would they also do better than african americans or hispanics, who are already at least 2nd generation migrants (and most are probably much more "rooted" than that) and are still not doing so hot? Both them and poor whites are at least native speakers and share the same culture with the majority of the country. > by then hopefully they go to school, and start contributing to society. That's a pretty big if. It also assumes a utopian world (or at least an utopian country) that is crime free and that by extension, ethnic criminal organizations also do not exist.

by gspetr 8y ago

> guaranteed basic income (only for citizens) Unsustainable because their children are automatically citizens. You are merely postponing the problem for some 20 years at most.

gremlinsinc 8y ago

When they get their own household, they can start collecting gbi, by then hopefully they go to school, and start contributing to society. They will still be paying taxes though regardless, and their parents will still be paying immigrant level taxes, so they would've paid their fair share so their kids could have a better life, that extra income to taxes makes up for a lot. Either way, doctors, lawyers, delivery drivers, truck drivers, and 40% of other jobs will go away, replaced by AI. So, something has to fill the void to make it so people don't riot. GBI is the only thing that could possibly do that, unless you have a better solution. Instead of saying 'that won't work' I'd like to see you say, that's not sustainable, how about we do 'this' instead and offer up a suggestion that will work.

gspetr 8y ago
So what's stopping poor trailer park whites (at least a significant portion of which have been poor for generations) to become "contributors to society"? Why do you think illegal/undocumented migrants would do better than those supposedly born into privilege? Why would they also do better than african americans or hispanics, who are already at least 2nd generation migrants (and most are probably much more "rooted" than that) and are still not doing so hot? Both them and poor whites are at least native speakers and share the same culture with the majority of the country. > by then hopefully they go to school, and start contributing to society. That's a pretty big if. It also assumes a utopian world (or at least an utopian country) that is crime free and that by extension, ethnic criminal organizations also do not exist.