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I worked at Amazon developing various portions of the core software that drives their website. Code I wrote runs billions of times per day... While there, I wa
by nanoscopic 8y ago
I worked at Amazon developing various portions of the core software that drives their website. Code I wrote runs billions of times per day...
While there, I was told to do many things that I think are not a valuable use of my time. I pushed back on many, and attempted to keep productive. It was very frustrating and stressful.
Eventually the stress came to a head and I vehemently told my boss that I thought the task I was being told to do was idiotic. I requested to go home for the day sick for mental health reasons, as I was unable to cope with the stress that moment.
My boss refused to let me leave for the day and continued arguing with me. The discussion then obviously went too far and I said "I would like to kill [someone who is my friend at Amazon]." I meant it only as an expression of the intensity of how much I was upset. The friend I mention knows this also and would confirm this if asked. I was just freaked out and stressed beyond my capacity to deal.
My boss forced me to go back to work after this exchange. After 4 hours he then came and got me and took me to a meeting with HR and security. They accused me of threatening to kill my coworker ( which is a horrible misunderstanding ) I explained clearly that I meant no such thing, and pointed out that I asked to and needed to leave for mental health, and they didn't care.
They said I have to go home at that point and would be forbidden from returning to work for 2 weeks. This upset me further. I assumed I would never be returning and was being fired. I pleaded with them to just give me the day off as requested and they refused. They forced me to stay home for a week.
I went home and told my wife what happened. She had just passed the first trimester of her pregnancy. She saw the doctor about the pregnancy 2 days previous and the baby was perfectly healthy and there were no problems.
After learning what happened to me at work, she was so stressed over it that she started bleeding later that day. If I was fired at that moment I would lose my house and be homeless in Seattle; I didn't have the funds to endure that.
She had a miscarriage 2 days later as a result of the stress and worrying. She nearly bled to death. My child died because of Amazon's reckless disregard for mental health.
Amazon did allow me to return to work after a week. I went back to my job and had to continue working for the same manager responsible for my child dying for another 4 months.
During that time I told anyone who would listen at Amazon what happened.
Eventually HR approached me and told me I could not keep telling people and they would fire me if I do.
They gave me the following four choices:
1. Quit of my own accord and tell whomever I want ( no severance )
2. Continue talking about it at work and get fired
3. Stop talking about it and retain my job ( my performance was high and I had recent great reviews; they had no other issue with me )
4. Accept a severance of $30,000 and leave the company peaceably ( layoff )
I chose option 4 and started my own startup ( carbonstate.com ) I only had enough funds to run my startup for a year, and have not made any money on my product. I have since had to rejoin the industry to pay bills.
- password4321 8y agoJust de-anonymizing for a second to share a little empathy: I'm sorry for your loss.
- arcticfox 8y agoI don't really know how to put this lightly, but I think if you could find a way to shift your mentality you might find more success. The facts: - you resisted and refused to do many things asked of you by management, OK, but you can't expect that to go over well - you asked to leave instead of dealing with a purely work dispute - you mentioned your mental health and killing someone in the same day - you returned to work and publicly blamed your manager for something incredibly horrific (the death of your child) that they likely didn't even cause (the link between stress and miscarriage is - at best - tenuous [1]) I'm sure you're not a bad person or anything along those lines, I just want to emphasize how a change in approach could likely improve your life. I was curious how you've handled other situations, and I saw in your comment history that you've been fired multiple times. I'd really recommend looking inward and not blaming others for everything. [1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-by-week/expert-answers/early-miscarriage/faq-20058214 https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/pregnancy-week-...
- nanoscopic 8y agoI never refused to do anything of me; I carefully following the Amazon principles. I also worked closely with another senior mentor at Amazon. I talked with him weekly for months before and after the events mentioned to make sure I was doing what was asked of me as best as I could. I agree that I cannot directly prove the causation. Both my wife and myself feel this is the cause and I think it is reasonable. There are clear reasons for why people do as they do, and blaming oneself is not the proper solution. My general belief is that care must be taken to understand how to interact with people in a way that they understand, since accurate communication is not an easy task.
- z0r 8y agoThis is a depressing post on multiple levels. I don't think it deserves downvotes, but maybe people are downvoting to help because it seems that you are violating option 4 by posting your story here. You might want to take the post down. It's not always worth openly pushing back on job requests. It sounds like you are honest to the point of self-sabotage. I wish you and your wife well.