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The core of the sun is 15 million Kelvin [1]. The surface temperature of the sun is approximately 5,778 K (5,505 °C, 9,941 °F) [2]. I can guess what the insan
by wolf550e 8y ago
The core of the sun is 15 million Kelvin [1].
The surface temperature of the sun is approximately 5,778 K (5,505 °C, 9,941 °F) [2].
I can guess what the insane pressure means ("estimated at 265 billion bar (3.84 trillion psi or 26.5 petapascals (PPa))"), but I don't know what millions Kelvin means. It should be kinetic energy. So maybe it means the ions vibrate very fast?
1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_core https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_core
2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Sunlight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun#Sunlight
- wolfram74 8y agoif it were a solid, vibration would be a reasonable guess, but unbound particles, the primary form of kinetic energy is basic translational movement, like a baseball's got most of it's kinetic energy in moving from the mound to the batter and a bit of it in how it's spinning.
- sounds 8y agoKeep in mind the mean free path of translational movement, even at those very high pressures, is quite large relative to the size of a proton (even more so an electron).
- contact_fusion 8y agoHigh energy density systems are quite hard to develop an intuition for. While average kinetic energy is one way to think about temperature, think about it instead in terms of the Maxwellian particle distribution [1]. In this sense, the Maxwellian is a parameter of this distribution, and as it increases, the location of the distribution changes. A high temperature corresponds to, in this hypothetical system, more particles with higher velocities in the system. (This technically only applies to certain systems in which the assumptions hold. For example, in systems in which other degrees of freedom matter, such as vibration/rotation of molecules, the interpretation is harder. At high temperatures, these degrees of freedom are destroyed, though others, like ionization, can matter significantly.) Of course, these systems are highly collisional, in the sense that each particle will probably go only a short distance before Coulomb scattering off another particle. So the particles are not really vibrating; the energy is in translational motion, but in the mean, there is no real directionality to it, so the particles won't typically stream out of the plasma. This can be readily understood in the context of achieving controlled fusion. Nuclei are positively charged, and therefore exert forces that tend to repel them away from other nuclei. The nuclear scale, at which nuclear reactions must occur, is very small, and the 1/r* Coulomb potential is quite large at those distances. As a result, it is to be expected that an individual fusion reaction should only occur when the kinetic energy of an incoming nucleus is sufficiently strong to overcome the Coulomb barrier. (Practically, quantum mechanics effectively reduces the barrier through tunneling, but nevertheless it is quite high.) As a result, you need a sufficiently large number of nuclei with high speed to have an appreciable fusion rate, i.e. your temperature must be high enough. (Hence, "thermonuclear" fusion.) This has to be contrasted with your confinement quality, in the sense that you have to keep your fuel at that temperature and at a sufficient density (so that your collision rate is high enough) long enough for fusion burn to consume an appreciable fraction of your fuel. In context, the temperature seems a simpler quantity to discuss rather than the pressure. It is easier to conceive of this pressure as a momentum flux, and in stars, gravitational confinement demands that the plasma pressure balance the crushing momentum flux of the weight of the star. Such static pressures are simply outside of our ability to intuit, and result in quite counterintuitive properties of matter. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell-Boltzmann_distribution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell-Boltzmann_distribution *edit: inverse square is the force, the potential goes as 1/r... update for clarity.